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Honest question: how bad do things have to get in the US for citizens to qualify for refugee status?
Consider how bad things are in Central America right now and then remember that despite the abject violence currently happening in many countries there right now, the U.S. still harbors deep anti-immigrant sentiments and we regularly turn away people fleeing said violence and return them to the custody of their would-be killers.
Yeah, you won’t need an answer to this question when the times comes for us. You’ll know, and you’ll be willing to get on that boat or airplane leaving for anywhere else even if they aren’t accepting refugees or the odds are slim that anywhere else will take you, because the alternative is certain death.
You’re probably better off trying to emigrate now rather than waiting for things to get worse, if you are in a position where you can make that choice. Some people make their livings preying upon those who are desperately seeking an escape, so it’s a bargain right now to leave for the cost of a plane ticket and whatever elbow grease you need to put in to achieve citizenship abroad.
My grandparents were holocaust survivors and what you just said is all I’ve been thinking about the last couple weeks, few months really. I keep imagining I went back in time to Berlin 1932 and have a chat with the family. They’re gone now but I’m 100% convinced they would tell me to fucking run. I’ve got the opportunity and means right now the get the fuck out while the getting is good. It’s something I’ve wanted to do for a while now anyway. People migrate all the time with nothing but the shirt on their backs, and I can do significantly better. Worst case, I come back in a few years with some more international experience. Best case…well…best case is still a pretty bad scenario, because it means I made the right decision, which means…bad stuff…
take a look at your neighbors houses.
are they on fire or being raided yet?
no? not yet.
Even then, it’s a tossup. We’ve all seen how refugees are treated.
It’s a scale thing.
one house on fire, it’s ok.
one house being raided, it’s ok.
five houses being raided and four houses on fire, time to gtfo.
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You and me both. It’s been a joke for decades but I ain’t laughing. I think we are the first wave. Either we are overreacting and go back whenever if we want, or…well, I don’t want to think about the “or” scenario…
There should be some community-led resource centres to help as well, depending on where you’re headed. I know there’s been a lot of talk and early organizing on this side to help resource people who need to get out.
That being said, I imagine certain blue states should still be okay for a couple years at least if that’s easier.
I’ve tried a few things and all have ended up dead ends… I’m stuck :(
Have you tried selling all your earthly possessions and, you know, just walk up to the border?
I was raped last night. I can’t even think. It’s really clear that the world doesn’t want people like me to exist. Apparently they’re sending text messages to LGBT people about reeducation camps now, like they were sending messages about slavery to black folks a week ago.
You deserve the right to exist as much as anybody else.
Hope you can get the police involved, if possible. Not sure where you’re from, but I know small town politics don’t always make that a real possibility. Rapists too often get away with their crimes because people are too scared to come forward and that’s just the sad reality of the country we live in now.
I’ll echo the other commenters - if you can get out of here, do it quickly. America is on a very dark trajectory. Don’t let yourself continue to be victimized.
I’m sorry that happened to you.
My heart just breaks hearing this.
The text messages are the absolute worst.
Let’s start a movement to egg houses that still have Trump signs hanging, or leave burning bags of dog shit on their doorsteps, or knock over their mailboxes or some other stupid prank wave; it’s really the least we can do in solidarity.
I hate things being undecided so I’ve been a lot more relaxed since the election. Yeah, the asshole won, but at least I know what’s going to happen. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than the anxiety of having a racist dipshit in charge, at least for me.
I sympathize a bit. I remember my heart pounding in the lead-up to the election, to the point where I felt ill. Now it’s just an endless pit of despair instead of a panic attack.
I can identify with all of that. I’m seeing plenty of people and orgs so ready to “fight back” already, and I’m nowhere near ready for all that yet… this clusterfuck of nominations doesn’t help anything.
“The Dude abides.”
Want to know what’s fun? Watching your friends decide who’s fleeing, who’s arming up, and who’s lying to themselves. Welcome to queer communities in a red state in November 2024. Gods have mercy on us
Dibs on this guy for the post fascist apocalypse team https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/181lu0h/this_gay_dude_what_not_having_it/?rdt=39158
That’s… so few places to go to. Unless you have a spare 10k you don’t need… or a remote high pay job.
Yeah, that’s a contributor. I’m going to a blue state in the hopes it’s safer until things get bad enough for refugee status.
Ready for the military to go through the county and ethnically cleanse you, or your family, or your neighbors and co-workers? Ready to find out what bread lines are like? Ready to experience population collapse?
Fuck.
Lol your psychotic. Turn off the news, put down your phone and go touch grass. Jesus.
Let’s play a game! Which of these quotes are Trump’s, and which are Hitler’s?
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“Jews and migrants are poisoning Aryan blood,”
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“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done,”
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“I will get rid of the communist vermin”
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“They’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, over the world. They’re pouring into our country.”
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“I will take care of the enemy within”
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“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”
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“One people, one realm, one leader.”
Here is the answer key: Every other one is a Hitler quote, starting with the first one. And yet, these quotes are in significant overlap. We shouldn’t have a president who is taking a page out of Hitler’s book.
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I want to know if this ages well.
Do we have !remindme on Lemmy?
We put our faith in democrats and the democrats lost. It’s time for a new plan.
Back in 2015, about 5 mo the after my youngest was born, I had the (at the time) most horrific day I ever had in my life. Long story short, I got fired from my job (for mistakenly thinking HR was on my side), my oldest son had a note sent home about a live breakout at his daycare, and it rained so hard in n 30 minutes that my house flooded (the top of the mailbox was almost under water).
I got home and was upset because of being fired (I was already beyond burned out from the job to begin with), and I was trying to patiently sift through my son’s hair to check for lice. I was not a very patient person at that point, said fuck it, and grabbed my hair clippers to shave my son’s head bald. I’ve never shaved anyone else’s head, but my own, so I probably was a little too aggressive, and the unit got hot and burned my son.
My 5mo was crying, so I took him and was trying to calm him down. Around this point the storm of the century began. It was so bad that lightning hit really close to the house (three times). Each time it hit, the lights would go off and back on, and then thunder struck. It was very disturbing to say the least.
Then the water began to rise. And it kept rising. And it wouldn’t stop. No matter how much I panicked and begged for it to stop. I was personally in tears. Then I noticed my neighbor trying to drive through the flooded waters, and her car got swept away by the water. I saw the water reaching her side view mirrors, and I handed my wife the baby and was about to bolt out the door to try to do “something” (it was straight instinct).
In short order, the rain started stopping, and all the water started receding. My panic slowly faded as I realized we weren’t going to drown. In no time my neighbors (most who we hadn’t met yet) all descended on my house with mops, buckets, and fans to help start cleaning up the mess. The carpet and bottom 6” of drywall were ruined. I spent my unscheduled vacation pulling up the carpet, replacing the soaked drywall, and even painting the office (it got flooded too).
Our office and living room was crammed into our dining room/kitchen (thank goodness for open concepts). We eventually replaced the carpet and painted everything. I wet vacuumed my car and removed 16 gallons of water, took out the seats, and put fans on it for a week straight.
Those neighbors became our best friends. We all still stay in touch and have multiple get togethers each year. A lot has changed since that day, myself included. I consider it for the better.
All that to say: this too shall pass.
That’s a nice story and all, but what happens when your wife is an immigrant and your neighbors all decide to “do something about it?” Or they just say nothing as the federal goons come to deport them.
There are incalculable ways for this to NOT pass for millions of us. Saying this too shall pass is some privileged bullshit.
First of all, I’m not going to apologize for attempting to comfort anybody. There is no privilege in that.
Secondly, I get you’re mad and scared/worried (or whatever adjective you prefer for how you’re feeling right now), but let me assure you that I am not your enemy. Do not follow in your neighbor’s footsteps; focus your anger where it belongs: the establishment, and billionaires. They are the threat. Not you or me.
Just want to call out, there is harm in false comfort. Building a false sense of security and optimism can encourage people to not take preventative actions. Not every storm blows over.
Every storm blows over; just like each person reads my story differently.
My intention was to acknowledge that things outside of our control can and do happen, and that they can wreck our lives in various ways. It was also meant to demonstrate that panic and thoughtless reaction are not the best courses of action. Through thoughtfulness, and community, any disaster can begin to heal. In no way should that diminish anybody’s struggle.
Is it a
perfectgood analogy? Not for everyone; maybe not even for anyone. But yes, the storm will subside eventually. The question is whether or not the damage done can be repaired.Do with that what you will.
I mean, to take an extreme example: the Holocaust. Yes it eventually ended, but the damage was massive. The people who were in concentration camps didn’t have the luxury of just riding it out and knowing things will get better.
I understand that people can come together, but there are also people with more negative views and intentions coming together as well. There may come a time when you need to fight for what you believe in or even flee for safety. Unrealistic optimism can lead people into a very false sense of security by building a bubble that’s is oblivious to an impending event that could impact them.
The storm may pass, but people may die. Telling those people now that everything will eventually be ok is doing them a disservice.
Fine. Fair enough. I just feel there is a better way to comfort people than misleading them.
The better takeaway is that he put in a bunch of hard work, and so did his neighbors. Help out if you can, reach out for help if you need it. MOST of us are in the same boat, even if we don’t realize it.
Saying this too shall pass is some privileged bullshit.
Or maybe people trying to give each other comfort and hope.
You’re still responsible for taking whatever measures you feel necessary but lets not attack people trying to help.
You’re not entitled to harm people on your side, we’ve done that for the last decade and all it’s gotten us is a fractured ideology with a hundred different camps of people bitching about minor differences in what progressive things are good or not, and allowed a monster to get elected because nobody cares about trying to make leftists happy anymore. Lash out at someone else who actually deserves it.
Fucking hell, this is why we’ll never have nice things. Our side is just as emotional but not quite dumb enough to unify and focus on one target.
I did not make the connection and thought it’s a seasonal thing or shit at work but you could be right
I never get tired of that follow up comic. It’s just too real.
Comic is too optimistic because here the fire was extinguished. In reality the fire has only gotten larger and is surrounded by all sorts of volatile elements.
Maybe if you give enough asspats to people who sat by and refused to help put out the fire, next time will be different.
Maybe if you keep ignoring voters you’ll get their votes someday.
Maybe if you keep ignoring fascists taking over the country and enabling the genocide of as many minorities as possibly, you’ll attain a truly equitable and equal world someday.
Or you’ll sit there with a smile as we’re thrown in camps and you get to stay smug and safe. Whichever.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy. Next time tell the democrats that getting people’s votes is more important than sending billions in support of genocide. Sure though, people supporting genocide are totally not fascists just because the other party they love “reaching across the aisle” to support it harder.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy.
Really? Because last I checked, you spent the past few months peddling the exact kind of voter suppression “BOTHSIDES” nonsense and downplaying the very real risk of fascism as a Dem plot to bully people into voting. That’s either ignoring genocide, supporting genocide, or being the most self-defeating anti-genocide advocate imaginable.
But it’s okay. You got to feel good about yourself, and that’s what counts. Fuck minorities. Fuck the oppressed. Only your feelings matter.
If pointing out similarities between the parties is a voter suppression tactic, then democrats should try being different from the republicans instead of kissing dick cheney’s ass and screaming that they need to move even further to the right after every election defeat. You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
then democrats should try being different from the republicans
They are. But you either can’t see it, or are deliberately ignoring it because it lets you play purity tests.
Or are you going to tell me that this upcoming fascist regime is just business as usual, just like if the Dems won? Go ahead. Say it. We all know you’re thinking it.
You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
How about I shame you for supporting genocide, like you’ve done through your actions, and pretending your hands are clean?
My mood improved considerably after republican lawmakers started opposing his appointees, he clearly won’t be able to accomplish as much harm as he wants to with a splintered faction.
Tbh my faith in humanity wasn’t high enough to ignore the aggregate polls to start with. Can’t be disappointed if you have no hopes.
Sucks for climate goals, poor people, and minorities but I’m hoping to ditch the USA soon if I find an opportunity.
My mood improved considerably after republican lawmakers started opposing his appointees, he clearly won’t be able to accomplish as much harm as he wants to.
They’re furrowing their brows, Susan Collins style. It doesn’t mean anything.
Mitch McConnell already denied appointment during a Recess, that means the appointments require a senate majority or will face delays.
Thats already something.
I mean the rise of European right-wing populism is also concerning, but it’s still a lot less idiocratic here currently. So just leave the states? (it’s honestly what I’d do anyway).
The people who are most likely to suffer in the next 4 years are also the people with the fewest resources. If those of us with enough resources to leave do so, who will be left to fight for those who can’t?
That’s noble, certainly, and I actually hope that a lot of reasonable people stay, in case the democracy is not yet bunked, and there is hope to at least turn it around.
But honestly there’s like roughly half of USA living as idiocrats, I wouldn’t want to be part of that, and I value my mental health more than watching a real-live shit-show degrading a once respectful nation. The damage Trump will do to society this time (again) is probably already too high for me to just give up this lost country, and declare it as lost cause. I’m lucky I don’t have to make that decision though, but just reading abroad about Trump basically everyday is already daunting (and has global effects, like climate-change).
That’s been me for the past several months, really.
Haha LMAO, bro you need to chill.
