I voted for her. The Democrats are still at fault.
You’re in this picture whether you like it or not.
you’re going to be in this photo, you just don’t know it yet.
Don’t worry, as an actual lefty I already know. You’re the one who’d push me into the cart.
How can I push you when I’m in the cart with you?
“Get out of the way! Truck! Truck behind you! Run, it’s not slowing down!! For the love of god, move!”
“I think this guy wants to hit me with a truck” *wet crunching*
What a reasonable and not at all unhinged reply!
This, this was the real problem. Something like 5% of registered Republicans voted for her. Dems usually win the popular vote. There are enough of them to win this, but they choose to alienate them.
Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it’s the Democrats at fault. Both are true.
If you voted it’s the Democrats fault. If you didn’t vote it’s your fault.
And the DNCs fault.
Harris ran a perfect campaign. If she was running as a (pre-Trump) republican. However, we know that:
- She isn’t a Republican
- She banked on pulling in republican voters, instead of rallying her base
- Republicans will almost always vote for the R instead of policy
- She backed off of every single progressive idea she started with
- She trotted out establishment Democrats to lecture the electorate instead of inspire them
- Tlaib pulled twice the numbers as Harris as the only anti-genocide Palestinian in Congress
It’s Harris and the Democrats. Should people have voted? Yes. Is it understandable why people didn’t want to vote for the person telling them that she’ll be a good republican and support a genocide? Also yes.
You’re only providing half of the argument. The other half of the argument is the fact that if you didn’t support her, then you supported a fascist dictatorship.
And what happened? We got a fascist dictatorship!
That’s because fascism has never and will never be beaten at the ballot box.
I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.
So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.
If these last 10 years have taught me anything, it’s that most Americans are not progressives.
They don’t identify that way but most Americans are in favor of progressive policies when asked
The best example is the minimum wage increase in Missouri that recently got put into law. Sinema killed the federal bill a few years ago but somehow deep, red state Americans are not progressive? People love progressive policies, they just don’t like the words associated with it.
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Evidence might suggest otherwise
American politicians are not progressive. America has not had a true progressive in decades. Today’s democrat policy has been overwhelmingly stagnant. Status quo plus a tiny tax cut for the working class.
The millions of Democrats who didn’t vote shows a rapidly growing apathy towards the party and their inaction
They had Bernie, but they backstabbed him in two primaries, to please the corporate donors. And maybe there’s the squad, at least two of them are still around.
That’s kind of a difficult thing to determine, when asked almost no one says they are, but if asked about policies, they tend to go for more progressive policies, even people that identify as conservatives will agree with more progressive policies. The people they vote for however, are definitely not progressive… Mostly, there are a few.
Then again, progressive in America is pretty much basic human rights and protecting vulnerable people which should be the minimum.
Exactly this. Americans don’t care about progress, they don’t even care about human rights. They care about the economy. Clinton was right, “it’s the economy stupid”.
Two things can be true at once.
Everyone who didn’t vote, voted third party or for Trump, or encouraged others to do the same, supported fascism coming into power in this country.
Harris failed her country when it needed her, specifically, most; and the Dem leadership in general failed the country grotesquely in the same manner.
Absolutely!
By your incompetence combined, we are a fascist nation!
Fuck.
ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.
The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.
This. I wish the Democrats would take some responsibility for their choices. But they won’t. Morons.
Eat shit. I did everything I could to raise awareness. I campaigned, I went to places to talk to people in my community. I used proof, even videos of him saying the evil, vile shit that he said. Our community stayed dem, while our state stayed right. Theres only so much you can do when indoctrination and propaganda rule. You can piss in a bowl and freeze it, then put it in your lemonade you fuck-whit. You have no idea how much some of us tried. Fuck you.
If you had actually accomplished any of the deeds you claim, you never would have gotten all butthurt, realizing OP was addressing the people who did nothing but create voter apathy.
The fact that you did get butthurt, says everything.
No, they acted like nobody did anything. Some of us did everything we could. And fuck you for acting like we didn’t do enough. What did you do? “Meh I posted memes on FB and argued with tankies.” Fuck you too.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone who is trying to discuss the election with you in good faith paints you as just another MAGA American. We know some Americans faught tooth and nail to stop this. Now you could be lying just as easily as you could be telling the truth, although I have no reason to think you are lying. So assuming you’re telling the truth, as crushing as a second Trump presidency is for me, someone who doesn’t live in the US, who literally can’t do anything about him, it must be so much more worse for you.
I know you’re tired but your fight against fascism is just beginning, it’s far from over. I hope you can find the strength to keep going. As an outsider all I can do is tell you that some of us see you and know that you’re not well right now. Gandalf put it best;
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Thanks for the uplifting words kind stranger.
I tried. Our politics are a joke and have been my entire fucking life. We’re all just trying to survive and do the right thing. We’ve been fucked by both sides, the side that wanted to win won. That’s all there is to it. The rational Americans were abandoned.
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote?
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
that doesn’t absolve the electorate from failing to rally behind a candidate that was the best choice to stop a NAZI REGIME from taking power.
if you didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, you’re no better than magats.
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
and installing a Nazi regime that has, on record, stated they will never let go of control is the best answer y’all could come up with?
how is any of that going to make the struggle BETTER?
will unbridled fascism help calm the masses and stabilize the inequalities of the previous democracy?
will it restore and protect the rights of Americans?
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
I blame the DNC of being inept! I never fucking said they weren’t!
I can still blame the electorate for allowing a fascist dictatorship to take hold in American government.
Just because you call out a fault doesn’t absolve the other party, both are at fault here. I’m just disappointed that voters ignored all reason and decided to fuck all of us(including themselves), to spite us.
btw, what kind of “meaningful change” can we expect now that sweet potato Hitler is in power?
Voting for a Nazi won’t make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.
So the democrat deciding to run as the corporatist party again is the voters fault?
Even running an unpopular campaign that was guaranteed to continue genocide and corporate profiteering, they lost to Trump with all his baggage.
Maybe people care a lot less who a person is than what problems they say they will fix.
I’d suggest you move to a blue state if you are really concerned, and I’ll see you in four years for the next election.
I did what I had to do, which is vote.
The campaign’s job was to get other people to vote. They failed at their job.
and voters failed at their job. they failed to recognize trump as a fascist and a direct threat to the continuation of our Republic.
Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
do you think there was enough time?
use your fucking brain.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
when it actually mattered 20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy. full stop.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first?
Nevermind, you just want to blame the fire dept from not showing up faster.
do you think there was enough time?
Yes. Other countries manage just fine.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
Maybe they didn’t purposely withhold votes. Maybe they were just not enthusiastic enough about the DNC candidate.
20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy
This is not democracy. It’s a corporatocracy that’s one candidate away from dictatorship.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first
The house is on fire because the two greedy landlords have refused to do basic maintenance and listen to the concerns of their tenants.
You just don’t get it. You still want to argue about why the house is on fire, instead of trying to save the people in the house.
That’s the problem with ideological extremists. You just can’t admit that your idea sucks.
I’ll admit that the Democrats suck.
Can you admit that your socialist goals were unachievable in the previous political environment?
Wait a second. 🤔 Was that your goal all along?
No, if that was the case, you would be no better than the Nazis.
right?
If the house wasn’t on fire we wouldn’t need to save the people. Your strategy will never save the people in the house. Neither landlord cares about the people, only the companies providing services.
again, you’re trying argue about if or how the house is on fire.
it was on fire!
now it’s burned the-fuck down. People, things, everything has burned.
it’s too late.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor.
No, I’m pretty sure it was the people who refused to vote. All 20 million of them failed to identify the obvious threat to our democracy and react accordingly.
There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them.
Spoken like a true extremist. Now, the sad thing is, I never considered myself a Democrat. I was something of a hybrid between leftist and Democrat. After this election though, I’m neither. Now I’m an anti-extremist, extremist. And I know I’m not the only one.
Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
We all know that’s a lie. 20 million votes to Harris would have swung it greatly in her favor.
But that’s fine. You keep lying, and I’ll keep hating extremists.
Cope all you want. But she made the choice to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can position himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
Greatest campaign strategy known to man. Do nothing, shit talk your base, be surprised when you lose. Classic DNC.
You seem to have confused me for somebody who gives a fuck about the DNC.
I couldn’t give a fucking rat ass about the DNC, the RNC, Independents, Green Party, Tea Party.
I only care that there are Nazis taking over the United States of America in January. I care that 125 to 200 million Americans will pay the price for the negligence of 20 million Americans.
I don’t judge you based off of what your political leaning is.
I judge you based on if you are a fascist supporting boot licking Nazi loving piece of shit.
If you didn’t vote this election cycle, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted third party, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted Republican, you are a fucking Nazi to me.
Please, by all means, vote however you want. Vote your conscience. But I’ll still think you’re a Nazi if you didn’t vote for Harris.
Not because you are a Nazi, but because you didn’t actually try to stop the Nazis.
Great campaign strategy buddy. Why don’t you work as an analyst?
You go girl! Blame them dumbass voters and learn absolutely nothing from this.
Are you at least aware enough to understand why they refer to guys like yourself as blue MAGA?
Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
Brother I get your mad about the election but your crashing out on a Lemmy comment chain about it.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!
Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong…
“I can’t just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???”
False choice fallacy. Both can be the problem.
I’m actually getting a bit upset at these idealists. They have this childish notion that democracy works in this tit for tat way where politicians “earn” your vote by instating policies that benefit you and that you believe in. Like grow the fuck up already.
If your candidate loses, its the voters fault. If my candidate loses, its the candidates fault.
if orange is black and black is spaghetti, Halloween is 16 inches away.
see, I can make nonsensical arguments too.
There’s a perverse bunch here on lemmy that are blaming the Democrat Party for their failure to vote. They justify it by essentially saying that because they weren’t catered to (being further left than centrist platform Harris ran) that it’s the democrat’s fault we got trump. That’s some republican-level victim shit. “We did the opposite of what we should and things didn’t get better!”
No, motherfucker, you sat this one out in a battleground state so we got a fascist and that’s better than Harris? WTF kind of logic is that?
They get to blame everyone and pretend to be smarter than other people because their third choice candidate can’t be wrong. This way they can blame the DNC for themselves not caring about all the groups trump will adversely effect and they can then also blame republicans when they eventually do it, all from the top of their high horse.
Those groups were suffering under democrats, currently. Why do you think even minorities and immigrants voted for him.
The democrats wouldnt even acknowledge peoples suffering, much less admit they had a hand in it.
Why dont you repeat the lines about how america is great under biden, all sunshine and roses.
They’ll suffer more under trump
Maybe maybe not.
Theres no reason anyone could justify thinking “maybe not.” I’m glad you’ll be alright tho. It’s good to know that you’re sufficiently insulated from any of that.
Every. Single. Election. People. Blame. Voters. And. Nothing. Changes. Maybe it’s the lame ass corporate candidates that need to change. I voted Kamala, but it was fucking obvious as shit she didn’t stand a chance.
The vote is the only thing we have control over.
You think allowing a dictator to take the reins is gonna get you what you want? Really? Explain to everyone how sitting this one out, an election that may cement Republican power and place Democrats as a token but useless party fore the remainder of the foreseeable future, will fix what you see as wrong with the Democratic party?
Any other election I might have agreed with you.
But not this one.
Own it.
I didn’t say that, I voted. I’ve just heard this same argument so many times through the years and it’s not working.
Sounds to me like she would of won with a more leftist policy. Sounds to me like the campaign failed to do the thing that would of won them the election.
Like, I voted harris as a harm reduction vote, but I cannot be mad at people for refusing to vote for the party who abandoned them and everything they stand for on the hope that they (the voter) would back them regardless of running on pro Israel, pro border wall, half ass abortion and status quo when status quo is the thing everyone fucking hates right now.
They went in with a bad gameplan and it didn’t pan out. Blame the fucking party for doing nothing.
