Yeah no. Your choice has global impact. Sadly enough.
I mean, I follow the presidental race somewhat because it has global impact, but watching the debates is not worth my time, and I’m fairly certain it’s not worth anyone’s time, especially non-americans.
Plus it’s unlikely to change anyone’s mind. At this point you’re either pro or anti Trump and you’ve had at least eight years to pick your side.
That whole attitude of picking sides is what got us in this mess to begin with
… Picking a side is literally what an election is.
A side as opposed to either side is how it should be. But don’t take my word for it, George Washington allegedly warned us of the potential perils of a two-party system on his deathbed but I’m unsure if that is common myth or actually true
George Washington eschewed political parties because he didn’t want to establish a precedent where his choice as first president set the standard everyone else had to conform to, and there’s a little irony in people holding him up as an example in that light more than 200 years later.
He, and the other founders largely, disliked political parties in their entirety, not just having some specific number of them.
They also built the system that enshrined the two party dichotomy as the only option, actively sought to ensure that the “right” people could override the will of the people if needed, and founded the parties they had previously argued against.
They are far from infallible bastions of correctness in this matter.
It’s what modern elections are, and maybe even all historical elections, though I’m not old enough to determine that. What elections should be is throwing your support behind someone that you think is going to be beneficial for everyone. I know that is idealistic, and unfortunately the current system makes that basically impossible, but Washington said that partisan politics would be the downfall of this country, and his words are playing out in front of us. I really wish we would throw the parties, and lobbyists, out and force candidates to run on policy and merit.
See, you’re talking partisan politics, I’m talking “you literally have to pick someone”. We’ve had these candidates before. You already know which one you’re going to vote for. You picked your side four years ago when you were asked the same question.
Beyond that though, there’s “parties” and then theirs “sides”. One side is xenophobic, homophobic and actively wishes harm on a lot of people. The other side doesn’t, for all their flaws.
There are more parties than there are sides in the past few elections.By saying you think you should vote for someone who will be good for everyone, you’ve picked a side. The side that doesn’t want to do good for only the “right” people, or make sure only the “right” people get hurt.
The only question is if you’ll vote for that side to win, or if you’ll let idealism or anger drive you to vote otherwise.I shall, once again, for the 6th time in my life, hold my nose and vote for the milquetoast candidate the DNC has foisted on us. I wish we had RCV so I could vote for someone good, like Bernie, or heck I’d almost take Vermin Supreme at this point.
Yeah crazy that people have to pick the fascist or not fascist side haha
They’re both fascists.
bOth ARe tHe sAMe!!!
They are, if you’re older than 11
They’re both right wing, but moderate right wing bought by corporate interests isn’t the same as fascist. It’s trending towards fascism, sure, but it’s less likely to go on a killing spree.
You have no idea what fascism means. Stop making yourself look dumb.
It’s obviously a common vernacular simplification from authoritarian with a broad definition. This is a commonplace and accepted vernacular in most modern western media based social media outlets.
Fascist can be liberal, they can also be conservative. Or communist. Or almost anything. More often fascists will lie and say they are more socialist than many of their policies would lead you to reasonably expect.
Grown ups are talking. Go play outside. You obviously need to touch grass, child.
It’s 50% a desire to stay informed and 50% sports entertainment
yeah but your family seems to make your problems our problems so we wanna know just how fucked we are.
The answer is always “Very.”
Yeah it’s like listening to your mobster neighbours fighting. It’s their business but anyone can catch a stray.
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Is it the official French stance to omit the Oxford comma?
That’s the topic of the next debate.
I mean, reading that sentence, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they omitted it just to spite the British.
just to spite the British
A fine justification, no matter the situation
Yes,
It’s only an Oxford comma if it’s from the region of Oxford. Otherwise it’s just sparkling interpunction.
Cambridge, Massachusetts has entered the chat, with a classical English accent.
Correct, no comma before the last element if it is preceded by a conjunction (e.g. “et”, that is “and” in English) in French
The vibes I get from the French left in social media remind me of the days when Podemos (in Spain) was soaring. It gives me a bit of hope. Good luck.
WE 👏STAN👏BOM-👏PARD👏
The thing that’s pissing me off though is that the centrist party decided it would rather demonize the left than the alt right, I suppose they know they already lost and are trying to get as many votes off of those they know might vote for them (some socialists).
Centerists will always attack the left rather than the right. They are actually right wingers that don’t want the social stigma that goes with admitting that you’re right wing. Once the progressives have been killed off by the right wing, the liberals will take the mask off.
The lot of them are cowards and the left is a whole lot less scary than the right, since we don’t go on random killing sprees frequently.
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Unfortunately, when America farts we’re all forced to smell it. America wants Europeans to stay out of American business, buts that’s rather difficult to do when that country demands to be the center of attention.
America wants Europeans to stay out of American business
I don’t. Please send help!
I concur Please help
not communisim plz
Last time Europe sent people to “help” America it didn’t end well…
Times have changed a lot since then.
And all that hot air rises to Canada.
It was just…. ugh. 😞
It shouldn’t come as a surprise.
Its … horrible how you treat your elderly in closed wards.
I shall avert my gaze.
Didn’t mean to pry, it was just too loud to not notice it.I’d rather look at our … increasingly hard-right EU politics … wait, that can’t be right, wtf.
We used to say that conservative politics in the EU would still be considered left in the USA. Well, I‘m not so sure about that anymore.
I mean, in previous years we did pass some environmental laws (like banning internal combustion cars), not as much or as strict as I hoped, but change was there. Sure hope that doesn’t all get undone ‘to boost the economy’ (in the USA sense - so help the existing big corps to boost their profits & do nothing for the majority).
Hell, I rally like the vast majority of EU regulations (various directives and delegated acts) that were passed & are being constantly updated (to keep up with the times/trends & tech) over the last 20 years, I think its a rally good balance between protecting the people whilst at the same time working with the market to actually achieve a meaningful & painless change over several years. That’s why we have representatives. The added “bureaucracy” as companies call it is just extra reporting & testing (to confirm compliance with standards). This benefits us all & is of unbelievably marginal cost when you look at the economy, regardless of what lobbyists say.
The US far right actually made a project of helping the far right in Europe.
Biden’s immigration policy is honestly a wet dream for most right extremists in Europe
I’ll just leave this here… :’-)
Add to this one another map of past CIA-backed coups and despair.
Honestly that’s something I never learned about until I was like, 23, 24. Still know bugger all about it and that’s fucked. Do you know any good resources where I can learn about this stuff?
You could start by reading about the School of the Americas, Operation Condor and Operation Gladio. See how the USA treats its “friends”.
Read about cointelpro and see how it treats its citizens. Some tactics are still in use today.
Wilson, and to a lesser extent Monroe are the presidents that caused those, with Wilsonian Military Doctrine, and The Monroe Doctrine, specifically so perhaps start there.
There’s a Wikipedia article on US interventions but it misses some afaik.
And there’s quite a few missing!
The one on Greenland, for example
And the surveillance station in the middle of Australia (pine gap)
What? there’s nothing important in Pine Gap.
nice try DoD
Yeah I heard Australia has some issues with gaps between pine trees, a certain boyboy told me ;)
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That BoyBoy video is so funny
Even the Pentagon doesn’t know where they are!
To all you inside the US: you might want to look up how assault rifles’ can be modified to be automatic.
I have a feeling that if Trump wins, someone will do the nazi salute thing again, but maybe insert “hail god!” somewhere into it, and this time it’ll be done by someone way more mainstream…
Ok let’s get you back to bed
What is the over under on the return of Hilldog?
I find it almost impossible to believe they will continue running Biden, but then again I did not expect them to let him run again from the start.
Seems all but impossible they’ll switch candidates now. There’s not a mechanism for it. It would have to be something like Biden having a major medical issue or dying.
Those don’t seem implausible based on my watching half the debate… Biden was struggling to get anything out(and it wasn’t just stutter, he seemed to not be in the room part of the time) and trump just vomited lies and non answers constant
There’s not a mechanism for it.
Democrats can name anyone as candidate at the convention in August. Biden being the candidate isn’t official yet.
I think we all just watched Biden have a major medical issue
I think they’d nominate Newsom over Clinton tbh.
She’s fried toast. She’s been trying to raise her profile but she doesn’t poll well at all. If they went with her suddenly, it would be worse than staying with Biden. Newsom is probably the highest profile person who could feasibly replace Biden now. Unfortunately at this point parties don’t tend to take extra risk so it would be a straight white man with just the right amount of gray in his hair and in their political prime.
The real problem they face, if they want to switch Biden out, is convincing the governor of California to resign to run. He has 3 years left on his term. But he’s also term limited so he could go for it.
Yea, sorry, no. You Americans cannot be trusted with something so important.
Biden was horrible, he is old, he should retire. (Saying this as an outsider) I have not much knowledge of US politics, just saw debate because it was viral
I’d rather drink bleach than watch this shitshow.
Piss the fuck off you yanks
I’m right at the border (Windsor) and I don’t want to live that close to Gilead (which will happen if Trump wins).
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We are so fucked if this is Joe’s new demeanor. My god, the orange bafoon handled it so much better…fuck
