For anyone considering complaining about the complaining, now is absolutely the time to bitch and moan about the DNC and all of their failures. It’s 4 years until the next presidential election (hopefully) so if ever there were a time to complain, and execute the ultrawealthy, it is now.
and execute the ultrawealthy,
Post haste.
Pelosi needs to go.
Now is the time to see who might run for house/senate seats and encourage those you like, insult those you don’t, and volunteer. See if we can replace some of the spineless DNC members.
Did you see what happened in 2008?
A progressive won and if he hadn’t ignored the DNC because they screwed him he could have changed leadership and made lasting change to the party!
The same people wouldn’t be in charge and they wouldn’t be grifting their cut off billionaire’s bribes.
For the people running the DNC the only real loss would be a progressive winning, that’s why they keep taking steps since then to ensure there’s no chance of their pick losing again .
We ain’t fighting the same fight as them. They’re fine with a republican winning, hell, it drives up donations.
The DNC allowed Obama to be the nominee because they were assured he would back off on progressive policy and institute corporate friendly programs like the ACA. For the DNC him being the first black president was a suitable surrogate to progressive change.
ACA was watered down because of Lieberman.
Obama chose to oust Dean over the public option, which facilitated Lieberman’s success in that endeavour, so yeah that is accurate to say.
Howard Dean was the hiccup in the DNC after 2004 when Kerry and Edwards went for the ticket. He got control of the DNC (being 3rd) and got the party to run on healthcare reform and a public option in all 50 states. The moment Obama took control Dean was removed and the signal was given the public option would not be fought for.
He was all in on the public option. They really were blindsided by him.
That’s the thing that’s hard to determine: if he gave up because of Lieberman or if Lieberman was the cover for backing off.
I didn’t think so at the time, but given the track record and actions of the party since then? I kinda do feel Obama wasn’t so all-in for it.
No, it was pretty clear. And if it was a cover then it was the party telling Obama he couldn’t have it. He’d never have proposed it if he didn’t want it on the table.
Calling Obama a progressive is rather laughable
Something that really impressed me with Bernie was that in 2015 he gave a speech at Liberty University.
Liberty is the among the most conservative of conservative “Christian” colleges. As surprised as I was that they allowed him to speak, I was more surprised that Bernie went. I was raised in Christian fundamentalism. I know how hard it is to break down the barriers between you and people who belive you’re going to hell for A.) Being Jewish, and B.) supporting ‘baby murderin’.
That’s a wide gap but he tried to bridge it anyway and find common ground. I thought he did a damn good job. He showed more backbone than any other major player in the democratic party when everyone else thought it was a waste of time to talk to anyone who isn’t a “swing state” voter.
It was one of the reasons I voted for him twice. It was clear that Bernie was/is interested in the welfare of all Americans and that he wanted to be president for all Americans. Even ones he might have significant ideological differences with. The Democrats can’t whine about their dwindling support when they’re too chicken shit to go talk to people in Red states. Trump is and will contibue to be a collosal failure as president, but he proved one thing for certain. The days of the “safe” candidate being a winning bet are gone.
It’s such a great speech too. Here it is: https://youtu.be/p5ZB8Lg1tcA
Why don’t the primaries in 2016 and 2020 count? Just curious, asking in good faith.
In 2016, Clinton paid off the DNC’s debts and became it’s only financial lifeline, for which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz abdicated control of party to Clinton’s team long before she secured the nomination,, the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted, giving voters the impression the primary was over before voting finished, and the DNC later argued in court that they had no obligation give Bernie a fair, democratic primary.
In 2020, Obama worked behind the scenes to get the other moderates to drop out and back Biden, and Representatives Ford and Smith admitted the party did coalesce around Biden in 2020 to block Bernie.
TL:DR: 2016 was meant to be a Clinton coronation with no real challengers, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way. 2020 was an open, fair election between everyone that wasn’t named Sanders, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way.
You screwed up your closing parentheses on the first link. Just a heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, it’s fixed.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
They did no such thing. Fuck’s sake. We lost by some 10% points, against Hillary fucking Clinton. This idea that the better candidate will automatically be the more popular one is some utter fucking delusion I keep seeing from the left.
I voted for Bernie twice. I would vote for him again in a heartbeat, age and all. That’s not the same as peddling “The DNC STOLE the primary from us!”
Explain West Virginia.
West Virginia, where Clinton is the literal devil even amongst Democrats? Where the Obama administration was reviled, even amongst Democrats, and Clinton was still heavily associated with the Obama administration?
Do you… do you think West Virginia is more socialist inclined? More progressive inclined?
I spent most of my life growing up next door to West Virginia. West Virginia was a literal, not figurative, stone’s throw from my hometown. I know a lot of West Virginians.
WV going for Bernie in the 2016 primary doesn’t say what you think it does.
Okay Mr. Smarty-pants, explain why I’m so sad that Bernie lost twice then!
… 😭
Because few things are as crushing as knowing your fellow voters are dumb as shit.
Stupid fellow voters… Stupid democracy… Stupid freedom…
Thank goodness we don’t have to worry about that nonsense anymore…
Wets Virginia where Bernie won every single county and yet was overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton.
https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_from_West_Virginia,_2016
“Overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton”
Oh, okay, so you don’t know what Superdelegates are. Unsurprising.
Using the superdelegates to call the race for Hillary the night before the California primary, He’s in the superdelegates in West Virginia and other states. Doing everything they could to stop Bernie. Watch this clip: https://youtu.be/QGuVDz_88po
Doing everything they could to stop Bernie.
Not to mention the fact that we know the DNC was having their media outlets run interference on the Sanders campaign, painting him as a crazy left socialist to scare off the moderates, when in reality the majority of Americans approve of his campaign’s policies even more than the Dems’ or Repubs’.
NPR would refuse to say his name, it was always “Hilary Clinton, and the Vermont senator”. Cokie Roberts was a Wellesley alumn.
In 2020, after the moderates realized that a progressive might win, they coalesced around a single moderate candidate.
The progressives did not respond in kind.
The progressives then lost the primary.
Yeah everyone forgets their heroine Elizabeth Warren felt it was a good idea to talk shit about Bernie every chance she got and further reduced his chances by dropping out last minute.
You mean when we lost by some 10% in the vote against Hillary fucking Clinton, a legendarily unpopular politician, with even socialist-hostile West Virginia protest-voting for Bernie over Clinton?
“But the DNC tipped the scales by showing favoritism”, yes, they wanted a coronation, but it didn’t come down to a handful of voters who were swayed by fucking DWS, it came down to Bernie not being able to overcome the long-standing nominee who had been building a ground game for her presidential run for… 16 years? Arguably more?
Bernie threw his hat into the ring as a protest, not expecting to gain much support. He had to build an apparatus from the ground up in a matter of months. That he got within 10% of Clinton is a miracle and a showing of the strength of Bernie’s position - but also not a loss attributable to the sinister DNC mind-controlling millions of voters.
the sinister DNC mind-controlling millions of voters.
I would count media manipulation and advance debate questions as sinister mind control.
Weird that you didn’t feel the need to include this in your original answer, isn’t it?
Weird that you didn’t feel the need to include this in your original answer, isn’t it?
Lord.
Here’s how the media treated Bernie: https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
There was a primary in 2024 that Biden won as well. The DNC doesn’t need to spend much money on an incumbent’s campaign. It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary. That doesn’t make it less fair, but suggests that US citizens are lazy or disengaged.
It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary.
If the DNC give no alternatives to vote for then it’s not on the voters.
Pretty sure only like 16 Million people voted in the 2024 Primary
Only like 36 Million in 2020
Instead of complaining about how unfair it is why dont people actually try organizing for a candidate and voting in primaries?
Or better yet, just give dems + indie a supermajority and they’ll reform voting.
The sandwich has a point
I don’t know what the sandwich did, but I still love you sandwich.
Is that what you told yourself when you didn’t vote?
I voted. I always vote.
