Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

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    They don’t want him in front of a jury.

    Regardless if it’s him or not. They cannot afford him to get acquitted.

    But they can’t martyr him. That will be a death sentence to the US.

    This isn’t going to end well for anyone. This guy has shown a much darker picture of the US to us that we all know too well.

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      Imho, as painful as it is, avoiding an economic civil war at this point does more harm than good over time. It kicks the can down the road until their side exclusively can use humanoid robots to fight their battles for them, and that just means get in line and die until collapse.

      The alternative is even darker, our non-wealthy children being judged by AI as to whether the potential profit/loss of healing them is greater or less than their remaining projected exploitation value to the owners.

      And that’s just in Healthcare. Our entire economy has become this sociopathic.

      This is silent slaughter. No one should confuse quiet with peace. We haven’t had peace for a long time.

      They don’t care if only the top 5% is free on the backs of the 95%, they don’t see the bottom 95% as human at all. I don’t think society should continue under that bargain. It isn’t worth it. No one is free until everyone is.

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        This is silent slaughter. No one should confuse quiet with peace. We haven’t had peace for a long time.

        “True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.” – MLK Jr.

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        Our entire economy has become this sociopathic.

        I don’t think that it has recently become sociopathic. It was certainly much worse in the past with the genocide of the Americas and slavery of Africans. I would argue that the ethics of the economy have improved, but the general public has become increasingly aware of how unjust it is.

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          Our economy was most fair when Unions had some power. From the 50s to the 70s, there was a corrupt equilibrium when Conservatives were bribed by business and liberals were bribed by unions, until they were convinced to take the larger corporate bribe checks and joined the owner movement to undermine unions. Today’s neoliberals. That is when, at least on economic policy, we effectively lost our vote. Then we lost our protest with designated protest zones out of the eyelines and profit operations of those being protested, which is effectively masturbation.

          I think it’s inevitable when you don’t inflict close to 100% enforced taxation above ludicrous levels of wealth accumulation. Because wealth at a certain level beyond material desires becomes power. Society warping levels of power, power to warp public opinion through media and captured education, power to neuter your own regulators through bribed politicians passing legislation written by the owners themselves(see ALEC), and no one should have such unelected power.

          No one.

          Part of the reason we know it’s gotten this bad, closer to a return to the 1920s with child labor on the rise, is because there were some less unfair decades, and it’s no surprise those decades came in the wake of the owner class created great depression.

          Now people watch wealthy people like the Kardashians as role models, when they should spit onto the street in disgust when such people walk by. Greed hurts people. Greed is a blight, a personal failing we’ve been propagandized to nurture.

          If you can’t be happy only making enough for 2 big houses and 1 regular yacht and to indulge your hobbies for the century give or take you’ll be alive, you’re broken inside, and need mental healthcare, not enablers for your God complex.

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          . I would argue that the ethics of the economy have improved,

          The Reagan era was a glorification of greed. Before then, CEOs were expected to care about all the stakeholders of a company. Not just stockholders but also customers and employees and the general community. A large amount of enshitification resulted from the glorification of greed era. For example, tuition at public universities went from very reasonable to absurdly expensive. Health care deductibles went from $250 to $6000. Anti-trust law stopped being enforced etc.

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      Yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that hes going to commit suicide via 2 gunshots to the back of the head, with every security camera in the facility malfunctioning during it and that every other inmate in the vicinity was coincidentally unconscious.

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        You left off, got the bars off his 4th story cell and fell to his death. Or I guess it could be 12th story with the new prison they wanna build in NY China Town.

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        Difference is that Epstein got whacked and his /clients/ let it happen.

        Luigi has real fans, who see what he did as a reflection of their own discontent.

        If something happens to him in jail, I believe that would still count as the aforementioned martyrdom.

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          Yup. Epstein getting killed was inevitable, but it’s not like he had many fans; child molesters don’t tend to win popularity contests (unless it’s running for the highest seat in the country…) His death had people upset, but only because it meant he wouldn’t be able to testify against all the billionaires. He was only working against the billionaires because the prosecutors were forcing him to do so.

          But Luigi is a symbol of someone actively working against the billionaires, and killing him will turn him into a martyr.

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      the thing is, I think they can afford for him to be acquitted on the murder charges. the way the evidence was presented, he had a ghost gun and an illegal suppressor as well. whether they were planted or not is still up for debate, but that’s a slam dunk case that they can just give the maximum sentence for and move on. I don’t think the murder charges actually matter. I imagine if they can’t get him on murder we’ll quickly find out he was manufacturing drugs or some of bs charge they can give hime another 20 year sentence for and if the judge rules they can’t be served concurrently then bam, still a life sentence

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    They’re setting him up to be too scared to face trial, so he killed himself. They talked about how much he was shaking since he got approached by police, he’s pissing himself apparently. Dude is gunna get killed so he can’t talk on the stand. The last thing the oligarchs want is for this guy to have more of a platform.

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    Media will now work hard to turn him from hero to zero.

    They gotta protect those sponsor dollarsp

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    I’m unsure if he means his arrest is unjust due to the order of magnitude worse injustice of the healthcare system or Luigi stating he’s not the culprit (vigilante, hero, The Adjuster - whatever noun floats your boat).

    It seems like the former? Annoyingly unclear.

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      He’s claiming the police planted evidence on him as a attempt to justify denying bail. Specifically he says they planted a large amount of cash that he didn’t have on him ever and has no idea where it came from, and they lied about a waterproof bag he had for his phone, saying it was a faraday cage, and claiming his possession of such an item means he’s too sophisticated a criminal to be allowed bail.

      He knows what’s coming. They aren’t gonna want him to get to speak to a jury because it’s not gonna be a guarantee they convict him. If he gets a not guilty verdict, that would be VERY bad for the ruling class, so that’s not gonna be allowed to possibly happen.

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        Yeah, I’m already extremely suspicious at the convenience of his arrest, given that there has to be a repercussion shown to the ‘plebs’ - can’t have them getting ideas now about the ease with which they could depose their ruling oligarchs and actually get away with it.

        I didn’t know about those details regarding the evidence being planted, so his statement makes much more sense with that context, thank you.

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          I was suspicious the instant they called out the 3D printed “ghost gun”. While certainly possible, it was waaay too convenient an excuse given how that may have swung some opinions about gun safety and control. Now they’re rushing this.

          Keep an eye out for thinly veiled attempts at obfuscation.

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      The cops leaked/released a picture of him in jail after he peed his pants, likely from being teased or something.

      And multiple of him in the suicide prevention room, which notoriously doesn’t prevent suicides, and is complete 24/7 isolation with only a weird smock.

      It’s not to prevent suicide, it’s torture. So he’s likely screaming about how he’s actively being tortured.

      He’s rich tho, his lawyer will likely get him bail.

      It’s like insane this is the standard and no politician ever wants to address our system.

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        He’s rich tho, his lawyer will likely get him bail.

        His grandparents are wealthy. His parents may be rich but might not be wealthy (they may or may not be, we only know about the grandfather’s extensive holdings and the expensive schooling).

        It may sound like bullshit to people stressed about making rent, but middle aged people worth a few million aren’t wealthy. Like if you’re super lucky you can work for 20-30 years and own a house in or near a major city and have a enough of a retirement or pension to quit working when you’re old and have a reasonable lifestyle. I’m in a mid tier city and even here paying off your house or condo means you’re worth at least 500k. That isn’t “buy a politician” money. That isn’t “live in any country I want because I’m rich enough that everyone gives me citizenship” money. That isn’t “immune from health insurance fuckery” money. That isn’t “get away with murder“ money.

        Anyway. A wealthy grandfather may be willing to help out with or pay for schooling. But it’s a coin flip on whether he’s gonna shell out hundreds of thousands or millions for a legal defense (and if he did, would he pull funding if the defense wasn’t to his liking?). From the granddad’s perspective, the kid is a class traitor.

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          I mean shit, GoFundMe is trying to stamp it out right and left, but there was donations for Kyle Rittenhouse…

          Luigi is going to get a shit ton of money for legal fees, from pretty much every demographics. His generational wealth and connections mean he’s not going to get some ambulance chaser, he’s going to get an established law firm that will tear the state to shreds.

          Honestly, this might be what finally pits the 1% against the 0.01%…

          They’re not used to their own being mistreated, and (most likely correctly) assume if they unit with the other 98.9% of the country the wealthiest don’t have a chance.

          When people like this are bucking the system, it’s not a good sign

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    Here’s my guess as to what’s going on. We all knew that the picture they posted of his face last week was a different dude. Half the internet was saying that. But Luigi realized it looked like him and skipped out of town so he didn’t get in trouble for something he didn’t do. That would explain why he looked sketchy when he was in the McDonald’s. Dude was probably shitting his pants. He was just trying to get out of town before he got falsely ID’d as the culprit. He’s been saying that they planted evidence on him which totally makes sense. What are the fucking chances he had literally every piece of evidence on him that they needed when he was just at a fucking McDonald’s?

    This just sounds hella suspicious. But I guess they found the scapegoat they were looking for.

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      This just sounds hella suspicious

      Or maybe he wasn’t the criminal mastermind everyone was jerking themselves over?

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        You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not go to mcDs a week after you committed a crime, with all of the evidence needed to put you away. This is either a setup or he intended to be caught.

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          Bet they caught him via greyhound db of ids. He used the same fake id to get a bus ticket…

          Mcds is a red herring.

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      They found a handwritten manifesto on him. It would be very easy to prove that it’s not his handwriting, if it actually were planted.

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          Handwriting analysts try to figure out if something was written by forger who carefully studied their victim. This is not that.

          You don’t need an expert to prove that the manifesto was written by someone who never knew Mangione.

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      Time to build some guillotines.
      The class war is here, if you are not fighting you are bending over

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      People coming from privilege can still be progressive and want to enact change. I’m not sure why you’re denigrating this man and his actions based solely on the circumstances of his birth.

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        “And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that’s exactly why priviledged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream - until everyone has everything they need.” - Propagandhi, “Resisting Tyrannical Government”

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    law enforcement, the media, and every other avenue that was once impartial enough to havea shot at fair treatment from them have all been bought by the very fatcats that are crying the loudest