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  • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldtopolitics @lemmy.worldLiberals Are Giving Up on America
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    6 days ago

    Pundits are losing their minds, but I don’t think the Democratic party leaders are giving up.

    My hunch is that they are playing the long game. They are counting on three things. First, Trump’s plans will crash the economy. Second, the Trump White House always turns on its own. Third, with a GOP trifecta there isn’t much Democrats can do to stop Trump - for now.

    So any demands they make now will be ignored, and even used in the future to blame Democrats as obstructionist. I think they are lying low and giving the GOP what they need to hang themselves. When the public is furious about the economy, it will be time to start making demands.

    Basically, it’s the political equivalent of the Willy Wonka gif







  • A few observations:

    • This won’t be the first time those media outlets have been sued for libel. It’s a common enough occurrence that they keep lawyers around ready to litigate. So this isn’t as chilling as Trump might hope.
    • Litigation means discovery. If Trump wants to win, he’ll have to turn over his private records to NYT lawyers. If he refuses then his case will be thrown out.
    • Once Trump takes office, it will be harder to pull this kind of crap. Only private individuals can sue for defamation, the government cannot.






  • why you’re trying to get away with not delivering things that progressives want

    I’m not doing anything. That’s what I think Democrats should do, if they want to win elections. If Democrats promise too much to progressives, they will inevitably disappoint progressives and lose their support.

    I’d argue Obama’s 2008 campaign was too

    Obama did exactly what I’m suggesting.

    He campaigned not as a progressive, but as someone who would appeal to centrists and even conservatives in order to bring unity. He made just one major promise to progressives, health care reform. For many of them, that was enough. He delivered, by signing a fairly centrist version without a public option. It was derided at the time by leftists but they got over it.

    Then he put most of his energy into futile attempts at bipartisanship, hunting down bin Laden, drone strikes, and trying to ignore another major progressive issue, gay marriage.

    He was a huge success! Even today he is widely admired. I think future Democrats will try to emulate him.


  • It wasn’t a losing strategy in the past.

    The key for Democrats is to realize that “progressivism” is impossibly broad. So there is no way to deliver on that promise.

    However, a candidate who does not identify as “progressive” can still deliver specific promises to progressives. Say, a carbon tax and a trans rights law. And that’s it.

    For a progressives who care about climate and/or trans rights, that might be enough to vote for the Democrat. Sure, they aren’t promising UBI or student debt relief or housing or a minimum wage hike. Maybe the other things in their platform are aimed at Latinos and liberals.

    But if you actually care about trans rights, why not vote for the Democrat who will deliver that instead of the Republican who offers nothing or the Green who can’t deliver anything?

    I think there might be enough progressives who really do care about trans rights and/or climate to make up for losing the ones who only care about UBI. And I think Democrats don’t need every last progressive voter to win.