Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don’t understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don’t think about it after that; it’s fact to them.
It’s reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can’t make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.
That’s by design.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
His buddy called your homeland garbage.
He didn’t give a shit.
Things were absolute shit four years ago. Do these people have amnesia? The economy during the beginning of the Trump presidency was great because of Obama. Trump quickly fucked that up and ended his presidency with a near collapse of our economy.
These people are idiots.
I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I’m very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most “fuck you got mine” people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).
I have never understood that. My dad was an immigrant and he always told me about how I should be grateful for where I lived (which I somewhat was until Wednesday morning) and welcoming to people like him who came here from different places. He always said he was “American by choice” and felt that was a choice that was important to offer to others.
How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn’t get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won’t be at the table, you’re going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.
I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.
Policies take time to show and that’s something these people didn’t account for, imo.
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Hard agree.
The trump economy had a decent distance to fall for most people. The whole regime was a clusterfuck, but it was only starting to hit the majority of people in 2019. That was massively overshadowed by the pandemic which many people don’t realize how much worse we handled it than other countries like France and Vietnam. Well now that we just barely touched a soft landing for his fuck ups they’re about to see how bad his economic policies are. We’re gonna get fucked in the ass but unable to afford lube
4 years ago…in the height of COVID?
You know you won’t be given a phone call or sent a new driver’s license or something when we’ve entered idiocracy. You’ll just wake up one day and be in it. And that one day was about two days ago.
Welcome to Costco, I love you.
Idiocracy would be an upgrade, it has a president who listened to people smarter than himself.
But he wasn’t the first president along their path of decline, right? He’s the dude that was left with the pending shortage of burrito fixings and finally had to get serious about shit.
Also maybe Commacho is the archetype for what a democratic nominee will have to devolve into to finally be “heard” by the broken weirdo populous that use politics as a sport and life identity.
Go read all the headlines about “dems don’t know how to communicate with large parts of America” - that statement doesn’t mean they said “you all” when they should have said “y’all”… It means that J.D. Pritzker has to start wearing a hot dog costume, legally change his name to “$HITcago DOG” go around the country for the next four years holding rallies where he farts the national anthem, gives everyone who attends a FULL SIZE Snickers bar and humps a blow up doll with marge taylor greene’s face taped to it. Along the way, he’ll gently sprinkle in messaging, but all of this will also involve just so many compromised principles in a continuing Overton window shift, where the platform devolves to “don’t be a dick sometimes, asshole”. There’s your bumper sticker.
I mean, Camacho was also black, so definitely not a Republican president.
All of this is stressing me out… i’m going to Starbucks.
I could really use an adult latte right about now.
Relax, ICE may empty their facilities, bit life will go on as normal. The rule of law will prevail.
lol as Trumps court cases are dismissed
The rule of law is basically nonexistent
That’s why every bank has been robbed , chaos in the streets, oh the humanity lol ok sure
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When you demean me in your opening line it is an automatic fail
You are the reason to live offline. Your toxic attitude did it for me.
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I can’t believe you like money too. We should hang out.
Gee, what didn’t we have yet four years ago? Oh, that’s right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.
As a Latino, I’m gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.
Latino for Trump here.
Is this the line for the free tears?
No the tears are when you forget to bring your ID for a walk around the neighborhood and end up in a concentration camp
Don’t forget your ID, I’d hate to see you end up sharing a tent with all of those “bad hombres”
Good luck! ;)
Oh you! Always worrying about me!
While I appreciate the concern, nothing like that is going to happen. You know why? Because all of this fear mongering is just that: fear mongering!
You know how I know it’s all fear mongering? Don’t you worry! I did all the hard work for you: I did the research! And I brought receipts!!™
You see kids, denaturalization is a process that has been in place since the early 1900s. It is used to revoke the citizenship of people who really REALLY shouldn’t be here. We are talking Terrorists, Russian spys, Nazis (like, actual Nazis from WWII, not just people who don’t agree with you politically in the year 2024). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
I feel this is a worthy use of our tax dollars! I mean, you want to deport Nazis and Russian spys, right?
“But, Awesomo!” (you whine), “Trump is going to go after all the innocent “brown people”!”(brown people© Democrats 2006)
Hmmm…I don’t know. Will he really? If only we had some sort of historical data to back up this totally baseless claim……
Ooops! We do have data! (though it doesn’t support the claim AT ALL) You see, Trump was already President once. And everyone is claiming that he came down with an Iron Fist the first go-round with plans to expand! Turns out only 4 people, let me repeat that: 4 PEOPLE TOTAL, were denaturalized under President Trump. And guess what? Those 4 people were a terrorist, a LITERAL Nazi, and a couple of war criminals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
Hell, President Obama (the great and powerful and o-so-cool) denaturalized 8 people during his terms! And again, these were (undeniably) undesirable people.
So you see, you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about me. I (like every other US citizen that migrated here legally and isn’t a Nazi or Terrorist) have NOTHING to be afraid of.
Hugs and kisses!
Why would he use this process instead of his stated approach of using the alien enemies act?
Oh, you just posted this because, like many other people claiming “I did the research”, you have no idea how to do research.
Now do the research on the alien enemies act and how it’s already been used.
Nah it is the one for the free ridicule though.
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It’s simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊
^ no I’m not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.
No you don’t understand, they’re the good ones who came here legally. Nevermind all the rest.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
laughs in Holocaust numbers
laughs in Holocaust numbers
lol immigrants have guns and border employees are not ready to die for trumps ideology.
Who says it needs to be government employees?
I’m sure there’s plenty of militias out there who would be happy to do all this rounding up for Trump, once he gives them a wink and a nod. Wouldn’t even need to pay them.
Well citizens and militias would have no legal authority. So yeah. Go to the park, go in nature. Lemmy is really trying hard to out some doom-scape ideals.
Also: THEY ARE NOT READY TO DIE FOR THIS.
Forget about Jan. 6th 2021 already? I don’t recall any legal authority there and yet it still happened.
Also, we’ve had bounty programs in the past for populations of people.
Yeah, perfect example, 1 person shot and the roaches scattered. Also the Capitol police were there so……
Bounty Programs in the past, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of possibility
How would you know?
Guns don’t do shit against drones. Enjoy your future hiding from white supremacists doing “human safari” tactics.
Y’all can be furious with this guy if you want, but he’s probably the most important person to be listening to. The block that determines elections has always been the sizable mass of extremely low information voters who don’t have any strong political affiliations and vote mainly because of some vague sense of civic duty.
They aren’t interested in economic and foreign policy debates. They don’t care about intangibles like democratic norms and the rule of law. They don’t want to hear your class analysis or how qualified you are to give it. The only question they’re considering is “Has life been going well for me and the people in my community that I care about?” That’s it. It’s a vibe check.
Good vibes? Vote for those in power. Bad vibes? Vote against those in power.
This is the voter you need to convince if you want to win.
the sizable mass of extremely low information voters
If this was the 1920s you’d have a point. Hell, the 1950s, 60’s even.
It’s 2024. There’s a huge mass of information in every square inch of the world now. There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
“Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents,” Mr Negron added. “A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then.”
Listen to that fucking garbage. “Democratic lies” “We realised things were better then”. That’s right wing media copypasta if there ever was any.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Like I said, be mad if you want. Doesn’t change anything. His vote still counts the same as mine and everybody else’s. You still live in a world where you need that guy to be on your side. You can either shout at the wind that the world isn’t the way you think it should be or figure out how to improve the world that is actually in front of you.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Guy isn’t trying to ingratiate himself with anybody. He just told you what he was trying to do—make the world better for himself and his family. In particular, he wants to spend less on groceries. Low information voters might not be able to connect the dots between supreme court nominations, monetary policy, and broad economic trends, but they will unfailingly notice they’re spending 20% more on groceries than they did four years ago. You want to point out that it’s not the Democrats fault inflation ballooned out of control? I’m right there with you. I voted that way in Pennsylvania. That guy doesn’t care. He voted the other way because he wants cheaper groceries and as far as he can tell, Democrats didn’t get it done. Calling him a moron and Nazi ally isn’t going to change that.
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Given that the people won’t accept the necessary complex solutions to complex problems due to the intential destruction of our publoc education system both to keep them ignorant and controllable and to not pay for them, and want simple answers that don’t exist without deception, all there is is subsistence until collapse, and start over after all that pain without the artificial restrictions held up by both parties to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor.
This place is nothing but a slavery trap, keeping people ignorant by design and dependent on the scraps of the capitalists. I hope climate change forces the collapse and this slavery trap doesn’t limp along for more generations born to suffer needlessly for the masters.
Trump voters are stupid and have poor memories.
Except for the ones who are just plain evil.
We liked the way things were four years ago,
Apparently I am the one who has been living in an alternative reality for the past eight years.
All the headlines today are about how the democrats screwed up. What I have not seen discussed is how in the everlivingingfuck any person could possibly vote for Trump. There was nothing good about his presidency. By all measures, he was one of the worst presidents in American history (while Biden was one of the best in modern times).
We all, myself included, need an education about what the president does and how they can impact kitchen table economics. I mean, I find it hard to grasp that people would vote for Trump just because the cost of bread is up while ignoring the pages of lies, indictments, convictions, rapes, bankruptcies, coup attempts, impeachments, not to mention hate speech. I hope people still don’t have the belief that the US president has any substantial impact on gas prices. The economic efforts of the Biden administration have fixed everything that Trump screwed up.
I still don’t think people know what inflation is. And while we all have the world’s information in our pockets, no-one cares enough to look it up. Inflation goes up because the demand for goods is higher than the supply - meaning either we were buying too much crap and/or there were environmental variables decreasing supply. Inflation happened because of the government stimulus checks, supply chain issues, and disease spread across livestock - it’s a feature, not a bug. I get that all they care about is their grocery store bill but a basic understanding of economic policy would go a really long way. The Democratic policies, past and proposed, put consumer (and livestock) protections in place to prevent or minimize price gouging and monopolies and supply chain disruptions. The Republicans fight these bills because it would cut profits for corporations. Voting for a Republican is a vote for less regulation - it’s the regulations that keep prices down. Unfortunately, government moves slow AF so a lot of times these regulations don’t have an impact until the next president’s term.
By all accounts, Trump is going to drain our wallets. I am terrified. I haven’t had a raise in over ten years. I don’t really have a skill set that can transfer well to other companies. I’m a renter with an amazing landlord (relatively cheap rent) but I was hoping to buy a house sometime in my lifetime. What Trump has proposed is going to substantially raise the prices of good and services. The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises - raising the cost of living for everyone. I really don’t know what I’m going to do for the next four years.
It’s not the faulty of Democrats. It’s the fault of the media and capitalism. It’s the fault of crumbling journalism as people choose hot take emotional rage bait over educating themselves to understand why we are where we are. It’s the fault of the DNC and RNC being too powerful and their fight against reasonable elections such as RCV or STAR voting. It’s the fault of corporations controlling congress. The conspiracy that no one wants to acknowledge is that we’re moving towards a country that is privately owned by a handful of billionaires.
The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises
Feedback from an European country : everything privatised in the last 15 years became more expensive for a worse quality of service. Belgian electricity market, phone, France electricity, etc …
This right here…
The left is desperately trying to hijack the narrative and steer blame away from themselves.
Like it matters, this is like being proud of wearing subscreen after you launched a nuke on yourself.
“Why haven’t we ever had a serious left-wing in this country?” “I mean, because obviously the left are absolute fucking morons.”
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
They apparently liked being stuck in their house while the entire economy tanked, they had to wipe their ass with their own hands, and a dumb ass told them that we’d perhaps look into injecting cleaners to protect themselves from a novel virus that was killing anywhere from 3-10% of the people that initially got it…because that was four years ago.
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault. If you want to blame him for anything, blame him for listening to Foucci, who was seen as the expert and advising him on what to do. And actually, trump left it up to state governments on whether to follow Foucci’s advice. A lot less businesses closed in places like Florida and Arizona because they didn’t shut everything down.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language (latinx was a huge failure among the latino population), and how their hard work and earnings didnt really add up to what they felt it did, because of their skin color. Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Loving all these mask-off moments. You’re still here, telling Latinos that they actually didnt vote how they did because of reasons they gave, must be because they liked COVID era lockdowns or something.
Hello? Can I have you shittiest take? No…that’s far too shitty.
Its a .ml user, what do you expect?
They are all for anything thats Russian.
That includes Trump.
I know:)
What’s shitty about it?
The words that you wrote. All of it
But you can’t tell me why it’s shitty?
I did! I did tell you why. It’s the words you chose to write.
“you’re a Nazi”
Me: how?
“Your words”
Me: how do my words signal that?
“They do because they do.”
Great argument.
I upvoted you because I think you’re about the one person stating the reasons a lot of people give for voting Trump. However, I do quite strongly disagree with all of them:
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault.
Trump loves to take credit for the low inflation and low gas prices after the pandemic in 2020. So if he’s taking credit for that, he should be taking credit for the cause too. Of course, that’s spin. The fact is reality is complicated, and none of this things can really be attributed to Trump.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language
Ok so we’re talking about the person who is going to run the federal government that sets tax policy, handles emergencies, etc. and has utterly no power over people’s language. And honestly, whoever these people saying others “needed to alter their language” are, if they exist at all, I’m pretty sure it’s not Kamala Harris. I get that maybe you’re trying to provide a justification that isn’t necessarily yours in particular, but this example is a particularly egregiously silly reason to vote for president.
Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Ok so tell us then, what policy of Biden’s caused inflation? Here’s a chart of Monthly CPI data, as you can see the rise in inflation was basically Jan 2021 (the month before he took office) to June 2022, before it started to come down. So what policy of Biden’s was impacting the economy over that period? Keep in mind you’ll also have to explain how it impacted the whole global economy in a similar way.
For example, if I were arguing the other way, I would say that Trump’s tax cuts for the rich in 2017, which dumped trillions of dollars into the economy, have had ample time by 2021 to alter the balance of production lead to price increases in multiple consumer goods. As the investor class tends to spend money on a global scale and the US has by far the most extremely rich people, it’s unsurprising that it would impact other countries. There, now you try, but with Biden instead.
Or don’t. Because the reality is in the overall aura of your comment. “Smug elites”, one of many labels used very successfully to paint Democrats as undesirable and disgusting. It’s about what team people wanted to be on. Trump painted himself as Team Alpha Male, complete with Hulk Hogan there to cheer him on. And he painted the other side as, to be blunt, a bunch of gross trans women. That messaging is no different from what beer vendors, truck makers, etc. have used successfully for decades. And it worked again here.
Basically, people are dumb and think that the current economic situation reflects only current policy, whereas in reality it takes several years for a policy to affect the economy significantly. I mean i don’t have any love for Biden, but the fact that the inflation started at the end of Trump’s presidency and continued into Biden’s was due primarily to Trump policy. The fact that it slowed finally is due to Biden policy, but now that Trump is taking over, he’ll take responsibility and immediately go back to policy that breaks the economy again, but only at the end of his term. This is one reason he’s unlikely succeed for long if he to tries to seize power illegally and would have been way worse off if he had won his second term. His policy effects would be under his watch. Also why single term presidents are often less reviled than two term ones historically.
Some immigrants, once they become established in a country, will then seek to stop other immigrants, even of the same ethnicity, culture or ancestry, from doing what they did. They’ll pull up the ladder behind them.
Yeah, more confirmation that being a shithead isn’t cultural. It’s an individuals problem that is unfortunately ubiquitous.
This is where we were 4 years ago.
People quickly forgot they went through this.
It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago
You can’t fix stupid.
