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    24 days ago

    The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.

    Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn’t know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?

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      You know what’s crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.

      I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks

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        As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.

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          Honestly, I kind of get it.

          I’m very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I’ve met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn’t know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn’t think so.

          The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.

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            It’s fatigue. If there were a turd-based fireworks show outside your house every night, eventually you just have to ignore it.

            At first, exploding turds, I kinda want to see that. Eventually everything is covered in shit. That’s sort of a problem. A few folks try to clean it up, but it’s A LOT of shit. Your house is covered in shit. Your car is covered in shit. You go to the car wash and things improve… But your car is covered in shit again pretty quickly, so that felt like a waste.

            Then someone asks you about that one time when a bunch of people broke into a building and let off shit fireworks everywhere. Sure that was new, but the nightly turd extravaganza still went off just the same. Plus the turd fireworks are always being set off in new and unusual places. I can’t be expected to remember them all.

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            Tbh, I get that too. Another realization I’ve had, is that a lot of Americans are so caught up in things like working and trying to survive, that paying attention to politics or the world in general is the last thing on their minds.

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            Were they 5 years old or recently immigrated or something? Maybe it’s because of proximity but I’m pretty sure even in Canada everyone has heard about it!

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        I live in a Southern city. I shop in nice stores that are advertised in Garden & Gun.

        They are selling Reagan Bush ‘80 and Reagan Bush ‘84 swag.

        That is a dog whistle to say “I’m not down with Trump, but it’s not because I’m not conservative”.

        There are serious cracks.

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        It’s always so interesting (or heartbreakingly depressing) for me to hear this. I have seen that to some extent where I live, although very tepidly. However, when I go visit friends and family in much more red areas I feel like I’m going into bizarro world. People are doubling and tripling down. It’s like a weird arms race or something between trump and his sycophants as they desperately try to keep up with each other in terms of bigotry and just overall insanity and/or stupidity. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, in those areas, they ate this stuff up and asked for seconds.

        It would make me incredibly happy if this was some sort of breaking point and it actually did open some eyes but having been there and seen the countless gigantic trump/Vance flags hanging from the bed of outrageously lifted pickups, I just don’t see it.

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        Harris HQ did a lot of things right and Trump HQ got locked in either doubling down and becoming more pronounced fascist (like here) therefore risking moderate republican votes or becoming too boring and letting people see through their incompetence and Trump’s senility when they aren’t caught up blind from constant MAGAtation.

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      8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”

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      Making people aware might give more of a push to people who otherwise wouldn’t vote. It isn’t about changing the minds of maga shits.

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      The first half of this skit will explain , like it is which multi-millionaire who does not respect you do you choose? The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not. Even with a Billion dollars Harris does not feel safe, and Trump has ro go so see Elon (who needs to be culled already). In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?

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          And the average american is a multi-millionaire? Like holy batman thats alot of words to say she can not relate to regular ppl. As in my Chapelle clip, one candidate embraces it, the other denies it. Guess who looks like an untrustworthy liar.

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            The average net worth of a single person in their 60s (kamala’s age) is about 1.5 million.

            So take 8 million for Kamala and husband and 3 million for an average couple in the same age group.

            I think that’s significantly closer than any of the gop or third party candidates.

            Besides, it’s not like Kamala is trying to make it a secret (unlike trump, who consistently refuses to release documents related to wealth and assets)

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        The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not.

        Yep, that’s the only difference between the two candidates. You nailed it!

        (This is sarcasm. You’re an idiot.)

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    Unless people go out an vote, it won’t be suicide. They’re just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.

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    I’ve lost count of how many “political suicides” Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015… Yet somehow, here he still is…

    My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.

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    That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to “commit political suicide”.

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      23 days ago

      He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn’t really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as “winners”.

      A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn’t refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).

      So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.

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        Things have definitely changed and there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn’t great but it was at least loyal.

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          there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove

          There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren’t going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.

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            Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

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              In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.

              At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.

              Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

              Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.

              Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more “pure” cohort of settlers.

              But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that’s increasingly difficult to accomplish.

              What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they’ve found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they’ve found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they’ll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).

              But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.

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                That’s an interesting way to look at it. I’m not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It’s essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.

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    I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they’d still give their lives to vote for him

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    It wasn’t the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or…

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      …grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler’s, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or…

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        …saying it doesn’t cost $60000 to bury a ‘fucking Mexican’, or making multiple political spectacles at Arlington National Cemetery, or praising North Korea, or locker room talk, or…

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          … failing to pass a cognitive test, or not being able to answer what the nuclear triad is while he was a sitting president, or being impeached twice, or talking to boy scouts about sexy yacht parties, or using the US armed forces against US citizens, or…

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    Donald Trump could walk around NYC naked and shrieking the n word and he wouldn’t lose a single follower from his base. He’s s got a cult of personality around him that is basically indestructible.

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      It seems that is what he’s committed to. There isn’t much talk of policy anymore from anyone on his team. They’re going all in on explicit xenophobia and transphobia and so on for this final stretch.

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    If he wins I swear I’m going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.

    Feels 1:1 like 2016.

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      The headline was stupid and it doesn’t match the article. The article was not nearly as categorical, And said that the points in the speech are red meat for his base but likely to turn off undecided voters

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    The Daily Beast is essentially Fox News for democrats, and I say this as a democrat. I wouldn’t take much of what they say seriously. Especially their sensationalist headlines.

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    It was intentional. They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake and distract voters from Trump being too frail to campaign. Trump voters are already racist shitbags. The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.

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      Also, all attention is good attention. That has been the rule of the Trump campaign since day one.

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      They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake

      super walz to the rescue. seems like he has played the VP attack dog role pretty smartly. loud enough to make headlines with reasonably pointed attacks, while being “clean” enough to deflect incoming.

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    Lol, mocking a disabled reporter, bragging about sexual assault, praising Hitler and trying to overturn an election wasn’t political suicide, stop trying to predict last straws for his career, there is no bottom.

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    Donald Trump has committed like, a couple dozen political suicides and stood back up, which is fucking alarming.

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      It helps him drastically that his supporters do not consider the same things that the media does as “political suicide”. They instead see it as yet more reasons to support him, because he is everything they want to be: rich, powerful bastards with the willingness and shamelessness to be the most terrible version of themselves as possible. All because they hate poor people and minorities more than the rich fucks who are ACTUALLY fucking them over.