Sure, more Palestinians will die
Sure, Ukrainians will die
Sure, US minorities will die
Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world
But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time,
we created a lot of value for the shareholderswe got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?
People refusing to vote for Harris becuase of a foreign conflict they understand nothing about is peak stupidty.
“I completely understand the Palestine/Israel situation, I’ve watched multiple tiktoks about it!!!”
Not very hard to understand killing civilians, children and women is a bad thing to do and shouldn’t be supported.
Yup! Which is why helping the guy who has encouraged Israel to go harder is a bad thing.
Not very hard to understand.
Some things are worse.
Theres a genocide and she is in support of it, not really complicated or hard to fathom.
She’s supporting genocide in the same way you are supporting slavery by buying your electronics from China. When are you turning yourself in and going to prison??
Or is this line of reasoning and logic idiotic and unreasonable as you damn well know it is.
Granted, I don’t know much about the conflict. I’ve read about it on Wikipedia and it gets more and more nuanced and complex at every turn.
HOWEVER.
There are candidates who advocate for stopping the killing. This is not a high bar. This is a bar I would like to see Kamala reach.
Why aren’t you asking Trump to advocate for stopping the killing?
Hm, honestly, that’s a good point. Why is it always Kamala under fire?
It’s almost like the frequent commenters in lemmy advocating against either real candidate, or more specifically, against Dems, have ulterior motive besides helping as many Gazians as they can.
Almost like their arguments are in bad faith to achieve a particular political result.
Go figure.
Or their more interested in virtue signaling than fighting for a cause that might keep the world from falling into further chaos.
I think they are just emotionally stunted twats who should let the adults make decisions.
Tbh that’s a fair point, although careful what you wish for since that could get him elected
A simple google will provide you with articles like this : Harris says bloodshed in Gaza is devastating, emphasizes support for hostage and ceasefire deals
Meanwhile Trump is calling for the extermination of Palestinians.
GTFO with this double standard both sides bullshit.
If Israel running a war causes you to not vote for the non fascist, you are simply a massive moron, nothing else.
I’m using the general “you” I don’t mean you OP
Yeah, because that worked out so well when in 2016 when Trump got elected, the GOP got multiple Supreme Court picks, multiple federal judges were given life terms, and Roe vs Wade got struck down. Let’s see how that plays out when Ukraine falls, war breaks out in Europe, America becomes a theocratic dictatorship, and what little progress we may have seen with the environment completely falls apart and the world goes full tilt towards becoming an uninhabitable hellscape. Whatever the protest was about will be utterly meaningless.
If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office, not after you get the opposition elected. Trump gets in, then suddenly he’ll give you plenty to protest about, vs protesting when Harris is in office and she actually has a willingness to listen to protests and meet their demands.
If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office,
This is exactly why the railroad strike failed lmao.
Even UAW’s future strike plan is May 1, 2028, which is strategically a presidential election year, 5 months before the election.
If you’re that dialed in to the railroad strike this long after the fact, you are absolutely aware that Biden helped get the unions their biggest demands shortly after ending the strike.
Get your bad faith soundbite bullshit out of here.
The UAW struck after the railroad strike. And got Biden to personally come down to ask the what he could do to secure their vote. Both happened while Biden was in office. What are you even saying about why the railroad strike failed?
Oh wow a link with absolutely no context or synopsis!
“Eight of 12 unions had ratified the deal.”
I guess the synopsis can be “Unions approve of Bidens handling of railway strike.”
Okay? And by the end of the following year, the UAW had struck and used their explicit statement that they were not yet committed to endorsing a candidate for president that Biden came down to the picket lines himself to picket in support of the UAW, which helped them get landmark contract deals.
UAW says they might not endorse Biden Biden goes to the picket line UAW gets historic deals
It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can’t vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.
Even if you’re in a solidly blue state, don’t fuck around with your vote.
You fuck around, and we all find out.
Kinda like a tactical wee?
Back in 2000 I traded my vote for Nader in a swing state with someone in a solidly blue state. We should do that now.
A large portion of the people you’re referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don’t care about the Middle East.
So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it’s good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?
Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.
I mean, her poll numbers are dropping as she goes to the center, so yes, apparently.
I don’t think any serious analysts are suggesting that stronger support of Gaza would help her. If you know of any, I’d love to read about them.
Representatives Ayanna Pressley, Summer Lee, Ilhan Omar, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Chuy Garcia, as well Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, Chicago Mayor Brandon, Johnson, the United Auto Workers and J Street have all warned her that she needs to be more supportive of the Palestinian community. No one is saying she would win if she denounced Israel, but many people were warning her that she had to do something to show Palestinians that she gave a shit about them, like have a Palestinian speaker at the DNC or meet with Uncommitted leaders. She refused to do any of those things, and now the Uncommitted movement has declined to endorsed her, Muslim Women for Harris has disbanded, and she’s two points behind Trump with Arab Americans. I don’t think any serious analysts are saying her position on Gaza is helping her.
None of those are analysts lol
LOL, yeah, man, it’s just dozens of Democratic politicians, a union, and a lobbying firm. It’s not real until some chud with a Poli Sci degree says it on MSNBC.
I mean… You say all that as if it’s supposed to be ridiculous. I specifically asked for a non biased professional opinion.
The point of the meme isn’t to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you’re so much better than them. Any claim of “activism” and “raising awareness” is transparently false.
Everyone else is a villain huh? I’m petty sure the author thinks their view should be self-evident and doesn’t understand why do many people here seem to take actions the author would never consider.
I therefore think the point of the meme is to bring some levity into what would otherwise be helpless frustration.
Have some empathy. Don’t think everyone is bitter and miserable.
If we’re going to preach empathy, maybe we should start by trying to understand the people who are watching their homeland get bombed into rubble with the support of both major parties, not the people sharing snide memes.
Do you only have the capacity to empathize with a limited amount of people owe day or how an I to understand your comment?
Take it as this; when one person says, “you should be less harsh on these people, many of them are seeing their homeland destroyed,” and another replies, “they don’t care, they just want to lash out at them to make themselves feel better,” if you jump in to defend the latter group, it gives the impression that you have more sympathy for the latter group than the former.
It would, but that’s not what happened.
You get what you deserve. I’m done with all of this.
Everyone who doesn’t support a corporatist duopoly is lazy, dumb, and/or working for the geopolitical rival to my dominant hegemonic country!
One can only wonder why you have not convinced more people with your message and Harris is now losing.
It’s like we learned nothing from history:
Democrats constantly coming up against fascism and fumbling the bag is always someone else’s fault.
Nader, Howard Dean, ACORN, Citizen’s United, the SCOTUS, lazy uniformed voters, radical leftists and tankies, the Internet, the DSA, Russia, 16000 green party voters in a state with 4.5M ballots cast.
Two organizations are never to blame. You can’t blame the Democrats, because they are the most hyper-competent data-driven poll-optimized party to ever exist. And you can’t blame the Republicans, because they just worked harder to win based on their strong fundamentals and simply convinced more people with their very popular fascist policies.
When Dems win, they have to compromise with Republicans to achieve a bipartisan consensus. When Dems lose, they have to capitulate to the Republicans because that’s what the voters asked for.
Paid to fucking lose. I swear to God.
Who else is looking forward to–regardless of the outcome of this election–being told throughout 2025 that it is of vital importance that we get in line with the Democratic party above all else so that we can ensure that the Republican candidate does not win the 2030 election?
From now on, whenever I encounter someone who says they’re not voting/voting 3rd party, I’m gunna ask if they’ve tried to reach out to their representatives trying to get them to raise some support for what they believe in. Or if they’ve tried nothing and are now just giving up. These people are literally supposed to work for us.
Believe it or not, even democratic reps are unreachable when it comes to antiwar positions. Yeah they might be “civil” to your face, they will hear you complain, but then send you a form letter in response, telling you that nothing’s going to change and that’s good actually. Feels like they could just say “fuck you” and save some steps, but I guess that’s just Democracy™ in action.
Aaaye, I got my letter a while back. I didn’t expect any different, but I was hoping on the 0.0005% chance that they did a life changing line of coke.
Keep bringing it up
I’ve been doing so since Iraq, even when Trump was in office they did the same shit
You might have, but most people probably haven’t. If we had more dedicated people like you this would be a lot more effective.
Is it not more like “ALL OF YOU WILL DIE” ?
I mean, Israel seems determined on their genocide…
Usually they live in blue states that will partially insulate them from the consequences. Or they’re young and don’t understand knock on effects yet.
I’m confused. Lemmy.ml? What is happening.
.world try to not bring up lemmy.ml challenge. Difficulty: impossible.
Ah, there you are. I was confused because you weren’t being an obnoxious tit.
I love how you brought it up out of the no blue but are acting like I’m the obnoxious one lmao. World is obsessed with domains.
Social media psyops don’t require all of the people to be puppets. You just spread some ideas around that get picked up by normal people, make some opinions get seen by the right people, etc. They are mostly not starting fires, but are simply adding a tiny bit of fuel here and there, which gets amplified by the internet.
All of the excessive online moderation actually works against it. When I started using the internet, there was a golden rule: “don’t believe anything on the internet”. Nowadays people think platforms will only show them the truth, but in reality you’re being put into a filterbubble, an echo chamber of an opinion that keeps fueling itself.
The concept of electing Trump to help Palestinians is basically the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, but I guess some people might legitimately believe it.
I would say they feel there is no personal/social benefit from electing one over the other. The reality is the tarriffs and mass deportations are the stupidest fucking I’ve ever heard and likely will piss away more money and people than COVID did.
Such people who buy into this logic aren’t all that bright. Accelerationists without a comprehension of entropy or a capacity of how this might impact a whole range of other vitally-important issues like women’s rights or Ukrainian civilians among dozens over others.
Alas, we know a lot of this is fueled by foreign propaganda.
Selfish and dumb people may as well just be (involuntary) Russian puppets.
Why not both OP?
