I still think someone explained lesbians to him and he got wildly confused.
Sometimes, you are genuinely insightfully funny, and sometimes what you post makes me want to vomit.
I appreciate that level of posting. It takes a very special kind of person to strike that balance.
If that’s your jam you should hang out with some line cooks
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I’m seriously considering getting an “Ohio eats pussy” patch as an Ohio lesbian
Oh no, I’m so sorry. About living in Ohio, I might.
Do it! And wear it when you go to vote!
Cool. So fucking arrest him. He’s a public figure that knowingly and willingly endangered an entire population. Throw the book at his big fat eyelined face.
Why did everyone believe this obvious fake news?
everyone
everyone didn’t believe it. those primed to buy conspiracy bullshit sure did tho.
huh.
Conspiracy bullshit and racism.
because a bunch of assholes repeated it.
My pet theory is that it’s a reaction to the couch fucker thing. The left made up and ran with a story, and this is them trying to do the same thing. Obvious problem being that it’s racist, dangerous, and not funny, but that’s the right for you.
I’m not sure there is anything illegal about making up these stories.
Edit: All these down votes are just wishful thinking. JD Vance is a piece of shit, but he hasn’t done anything illegal. (That’s not to say he hasn’t done anything wrong, because he totally has.)
Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded venue is not protected under Free Speech.
This isn’t even close to the other, actual stochastic terrorism they’ve done before.
If they were going to get charged for it, it shouldn’t be this one.
Now, whoever runs the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire account, that feels like an actual crime.
The cat thing should disqualify him as president because he’s blatantly lying. But it’s not a crime.
Name the criminal statute he should be charged with violating.
Agreed that he likely does not have a 1st amendment defense. But you still need a specific criminal statute to charge him with. I am unaware of any that he has likely violated with his xenophobic remarks
Demagoguery that targets a marginalized group is an American tradition. It is unlikely that he committed any crime
Ohio could possibly sue him civilly because of the bomb threats that caused them to shut down schools. That’s the best I got.
If anyone is hurt over this, then they likely have standing for a civil suit (see Alex Jones).
Criminal it’s definitely more tricky. Trump will likely get away with telling his followers to storm the capitol, so I doubt “eating cats and dogs” comes close to the same standard.
Once upon a time, admitting to something like this would have been an impeachable offense. But that’s long sailed as something Congress would fairly enforce.
Sure. But this is not that.
Its about time there is some accountability for spreading such falsehoods. Does Libel not apply to this, or any law? Come on, he endangered an entire group of his own constituents. They are legally here.
People need to call it what it is, as often as needed: stochastic terrorism
Accountability? For republicans? You must be new here.
The law doesn’t apply to them.
This fucking lie ended a conversation (that started about plumbing of all things!) between myself and my father with me screaming at him for being racist and him hanging up on me saying “Enjoy your fucking liberal life. Im hanging up now. Love you. Bye.”
As a rule, I do NOT speak politics with my family because theyre HUGE MAGAts and Im the exact opposite. But my father is one who HAS to bait me. He just…its in his fucking DNA code or something. And usually I grit my teeth through it, but I couldnt this time.
Ughhhhh this pisses me off so much because I really thought that he would snort and roll his eyes at THIS lie at least. But no. He unironically believes this shit. Its fucking dangerous.
Yeah, therapists have noted a sharp upward trend of people dealing with politically driven grief. Basically, people separating from their family members due to political differences. And it’s almost universally from liberal people cutting off their Trump-crazed parents.
This, I believe 100%. I just got assigned a new therapist and have only had one session with them so far. However, I know for a fact that this is going to be a massive topic that I need to unpack with them.
It sucks because you just know all these parents will blame “the liberal media influencing the snowflake younger generation”, rather than having any introspection.
I fear its going to make Boomers/Gen X even more radicalized than they already are, and double down on reforming schools to suit the Christian narrative.
Oh. I have relatives in the USA. Jewish and the older generation is sadly non-critical. Last family call ended where my uncle (strictly speaking, my mom’s uncle, son of my grandma’s older sister) dropped a phrase of “having to vote for someone who’ll support Israel” in such a worried tone, that I fscking couldn’t hold it. I mean, if my grandma wouldn’t try to shut me up with her Israel worship bullshit (she has always been, ahem, simple-minded and loud, and now she’s also of the age where people do not preserve a lot), could have gone better.
Sorry man. My fam and I went separate ways about a year ago due to this stuff. It’s a sickness spread by a for profit entity which is the GOP. Doesn’t feel good at all, but things got so ugly that the silence between us now is a welcome form of peace at least.
Im sorry you went through that, but Im glad you found peace. It sucks because I’m being pushed to consider going this exact route, so I know the pain/apprehension that went into your decision. Its a shitty place to be, and I have mad respect for you putting yourself first.
It really sucks, because I dont hate them, I hate their politics and their inability to respect boundaries, but I know theyll never see it that way. They’ll see it as me breaking up the family because liberals are too sensitive or whatever.
Sounds like you’re going about it right at least - trying to set healthy boundaries is the best strategy to save such a relationship and if that fails you know for sure you just no longer have the foundation for any sort of meaningful progress.
I’ve been dealing with this for a while now. Family kicked me out of the house for supporting Bernie Sanders at one point. It sucks, because I love them very much, but they’re Racist with a capital R and die-hard republicans who worship drumpf. Every time we talked they would bait me with their BS, and even when we’re NOT talking about politics, it seems every gap in conversation is punctuated with all the vile things they’re trying not to say.
My therapist had some great advice. Said that if I value a relationship with them, then the price for having that relationship is never discussing politics.
I’m willing to pay that price, so I told them not to bring it up anymore, and I’ll do the same. It’s working for the most part, though that doesn’t stop other issues from coming up. But hey, that’s life! Wouldn’t be relatives if they didn’t frustrate you endlessly, I guess?
Friend, it’s really not worth it. You can cut out family members that insist on drama but otherwise you can just keep radio silence on topics that aren’t mutually interesting.
People can change their minds but it isn’t ever anyone outside forcing that change… significant changes always come from internal realizations.
Just enjoy your life and keep your sanity - I’m sorry you were saddled with a family deeply entrenched in the MAGA crazy.
Thank you, I appreciate it. We’re pretty low contact as I live across the country, so I only really talk to him on holidays/birthdays to begin with, but this was an odd one-off.
I mostly really stay in contact at all because my brother has 2 babies, and the entire family is conservative (to the point that theyre considering home schooling the kiddos), and Im worried theyll never get ANY outside influence if my husband and I dont make an effort.
Its probably a worthless effort, because mentally I can only handle going home every year or so (and I make it as close to a 72 hr trip as possible), but I just feel like Im abandoning them completely if I cut everyone off now.
If it helps, realize that it’s his insecurity coming out. Don’t be mad, be sad. Can you imagine being an adult and stilling acting like an edgy teen.
The crazy thing is: If he hadn’t admitted this, there wouldn’t have been calls for his resignation. The Republican party is fine with spreading harmful misinformation, but admitting to it is a no-go.
He broke kayfabe.
The Republican party needs to have plausible deniability. In the conservative playbook, it’s okay to repeat things that they know for a fact are untrue, or to tell a lie of omission to further their agenda, because they can always walk it back at the point in time which they are receiving blowback by saying they didn’t know it wasn’t true or that they didn’t have all the facts at hand. Assuming that the lie doesn’t manifest itself into truth or that there are enough people who care enough about the real truth to bother fact checking it at all to the point where it would necessarily generate any kind of controversy.
This was Vance saying the quiet part out loud, probably by accident, and his pivot was not convincing at all.
He is such a loser, no wonder Trump picked him as VP. They smell their own.
Or, and I know it’s going to sound like a conspiracy theory, Trump picked JD because JD is so weird, and he knew that JD would tank. So when Trump drops JD it’ll give him a boost, like the one the democrats got when Biden dropped out. Trump has repeatedly kept lowering people’s expectations, to the point that if he somehow managed to put the round peg in the round hole, it would be a success. So imagine the boost Trump would get, for making the obvious decision to drop JD.
But that plan requires that Trump is able to play the long game, and stay quiet about it. Two things we know isn’t plausible.
If there is any conspiracy here, I would be more likely to believe the one where JD Vance was a plant whose goal is to sabotage Trump’s campaign.
Although, I still think it’s most likely that they are just incompetent idiots, and aren’t sabotaging themselves on purpose at all.
Oh I totally think you’re right in applying Hanlon’s razor here. The opposite would spell doom.
But sometimes you’ve got to wonder how incompetent can they be. And at those times “they’re not babbling buffoons, it’s a clever ruse” seems a plausible explanation. I mean Trump parading his mistress on the campaign trail, what the actual fuck?
They have so many people stacked at the polls and swing states that they’re not worried about actually winning by performance.
There were theories that when RFK jr flipped they wanted him at the VP candidate hard, but they were already stuck with Vance. Conspiracy theory time…they’re purposely tanking the already wildly unpopular Vance so it wouldn’t seem like such a fickle move.
“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually has to pay attention to the suffering of American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,” said Vance, a U.S. Senator representing Ohio.
Ironically, Vance’s attempt to point out imagined “suffering” has led to actual suffering by his own constituents.
Wow. What a horrible piece of shit. I knew he was ‘bad news’. But like. God damn. You’re a fucking moron. A perfect Trump pick for VP.
If my eyes rolled back any further I’d go blind.
Yeah but smack in the middle of the range of expected traitorous republican behaviors.
It’s so disheartening that the polls are basically tied. However much they can be trusted
Honestly I really really doubt that.
There should be calls to toss him into a volcano and they should be getting serious traction
Careful. From all the B movies I’ve watched, I can tell that volcanoes have standards.
That’s superstitious, don’t be silly… Anyway let’s organize a Repub conference there as a send off, it is the right thing to do.
He should resign. He is a spineless piece of trash and will do and say anything for power.
Thats probably why Trump picked him.
Trump picked him because he said he wouldn’t have certified the election in 2020.
No one who voted or will vote for him gives a shit anyway though, so the only way he’s going to go is if R does the right thing which, we know how that will play out.
The Trumpublican voters knew it was a lie from the beginning, they don’t care about truth. Vance supplied them with phony story to justify racism and create outrage and they were happy to play along.
It’s a sick game and when people rightly pointed out what a farce the whole thing was they were simply dismissed by the magachuds as “sheeple” and “libtards”.
There is no reasoning with these brain rotted cultists
Their candidates are quite literally the worst possible choices and they LOVE THEM
They’re Know-Nothings, in every sense of the word.
Here’s the thing, Vance didn’t make up the story, a Nazi did. I’m guessing Vance is now claiming responsibility because lying about the origin is better than the truth, that he’s just repeating lies from self avowed Nazis.
I expect he’s going to say he didn’t mean that he fabricated the story, but instead meant that he “created the story” in the sense of bringing it to the media’s attention
He did say exactly that in the interview when called out. It’s in the twitter thread linked.
Towards the end.
Have we ever had a presidential candidate swap, and then a VP swap in the same election year before?
Ballots are already getting printed and early voting will start soon.
Calls for J.D. Vance to resign
Lmfao, good luck with that, guy is on the power trip of his life, and the only way to be rid of someone like him is by force.
RFK incoming!
