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    Aside from the lift, there may be use cases for the truck where it requires moving multiple people and smaller heavy loads (or pulling a trailer). However, the sad reality is that the heaviest load it’ll likely be moving on a regular basis is the fat ass of the solo passenger in their way to/from fast food and groceries

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      you know it’s funny, they made crewcab long beds in the 80s and 90s. They were just long and looked a little goofy, had normal proportions otherwise, these have been vertically stretched and widened to compensate for the absolutely bizarre form factor that they ship in. i genuinely have no idea what they’re doing with the front suspension to require the hood to be that high off of the ground. A fucking hummer has more ground clearance with a lower hood.

      There is almost no reason for a truck like this to exist, especially when you consider it’s interior is “luxury”

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        I live in Germany, and I spotted one of these trucks recently. It looked huge compared to every other vehicle on the road, and one of those was a delivery van. And it was too big for its parking spot. It also had a confederate flag in the back window.

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          Someone in the dorm I lived in had a Ford Ranger. Even though it’s one of Ford’s smaller pickups, it looked very oversized compared to everything else in the parking garage.

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            …the original compact ford ranger was a great little truck!..the midsized replacement forsook its charm, though…

            …i’m not even sure who makes compact trucks in australia anymore, but they’re not sold stateside…

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          I live in Germany, … It also had a confederate flag in the back window.

          WTF, I didn’t even know that was a thing outside the U.S. Do they claim “it’s our heritage not hate?”

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        Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG. Some of it is because of better safety standards. Some of it is just because that’s what a certain portion of the market wants, and the profit margins on the large vehicles are higher, so they spend more money marketing them (creating more demand).

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          Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG.

          gotta love when the funny regulations do the opposite of what you expect them to do.

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            Yeah, a lot of the regulations are written by the industries they’re supposed to regulate.

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      (or pulling a trailer).

      You don’t need truck for this

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        And these huge trucks don’t actually have that high of a load rating or that large of a bed. Your average kei truck hauls heavier loads.

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          That’s not true. Kei trucks have comparably low load and towing capacity. They have the same bed dimensions of the most common pickup truck bed size. Most people with trucks don’t hail around stone or heavy machinery though.

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    Never been to the US, only now with this picture do I realize the size of these things. That’s basically a monster truck ? are there many of them ?

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      I live in Imperial Beach, California. There is absolutely no reason to have one of these monstrosities here, and none of the 15 that live in my neighborhood ever have any type of mud on them. Not even the 4 whose hoods are at my eye level, I’m 6’3" / 192cm, because they lifted the hell out of them. I will admit that the guy who has an 8’4" tall old school VW bug may be a bit strange, but at least that thing looks cool, and he has it as an advertisement for his shop, so there was a reason for him to have the thing.

      Ironically the VW is the only one that ever has any mud on it.

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    He needs the large crew cab to have somewhere to put his groceries. Because he doesn’t want to get that bed scratched.

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      I watched a guy load bags of soil from the hardware store into the back seats of the crew cab while he had an empty bed. The bed would have been easier to load and could easily be hosed down if a bag leaked. I guess he forgot it was also a truck and not just a luxury commuter car.

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      Well you don’t want groceries in the bed mostly because it will be thrown around since it’s just open space…

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        Aren’t there cargo nets and other accessories for that? I get it if you have perishable groceries that need to be kept frozen until you get home and it’s hot outside.

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          Things are pretty fantastic when you use them for that they’re made to do… Try safely carrying 20 4’x8’ sheets of sheetrock in a small car… Or try carrying two bags of groceries in a sedan’s trunk without anything holding them in place…

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    My car is probably smaller than the cabin and engine of that truck and I don’t even have a compact car

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    I wonder how big these things are compared to European lorry? That thing is fucking huge!

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    From the US here. They have uses as work trucks but the majority of these bro-dozers are pristine and have have never hit any water deeper than a pothole in the road.

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      people keep saying that they have uses as work trucks and i’m not sure i believe them because they made smaller trucks in the 90s and 80s and those trucks were still for work?

      I mean i’ve seen one of these things towing 5 fucking cars. I can’t think of the last time i had to load up 5 cars on a shipping trailer and then ship them on my fucking daily driver. Honestly i didn’t even think that was possible, but apparently it is, and i have no idea why people own these things as daily drivers now.

      to be clear, my issue here is that saying they have uses is underselling the problem. You can hire a semi with a flatbed to ship a bag of sand. But that’s fucking stupid.

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      Everyone I know in the US that owns trucks like what op shared are all work trucks for general contractors or were bought to pull their giant campers. I know the bro-dozer community you’re talking about but those trucks are not usually new trucks like op’s. This is in rural America tho not the suburbs so maybe it’s different in other areas.

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        A neighbor runs his own plumbing company. He’s got an early 2000s Dodge and formerly an early 2000s Ford.

        His main complaint about modern trucks, after the price, is the bed being too high for him to easily load and unload equipment.

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          Work vans are the superior work vehicle for the majority of use cases. Lower bed/floor height to make loading easier. Covered rear so your tools/product doesnt get wet or dirty. Able to carry a ton of equipment, taller models you can even stand in and use a workbench in the van. The side of the van is large and flat making it easier to print large letters and numbers to advertise the company. Most modern work vans have better visibility than similarly sized trucks.

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    You know what’s fucked, Standards Australia annouced they were considered increasing the minimum size for parking spots and gave only 3 weeks for public comment.

    So many comments against, but I bet the car lobbies get their way anyway.

    These things are a scourge.

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    I’ve used huge trucks for bush work. Like we’re talking going mudding just to get to work. This line of work basically put me in the position that is the subject of commercials that try to convince suburban dads that they need a huge truck in case one day their family goes on a fictional camping trip to the middle of a swamp.

    Anyways, you know what I learned? These fucking things suck at off-roading.

    • They have shit visibility. You sometimes need to get out of the truck to see around corners, especially if you’re cresting steep hills
    • They have a dangerously high center of gravity (I saw a bunch of coworkers roll theirs) that is only amplified if you carry large loads in their truck beds
    • Over-complicated features like traction control will actually kill your power if you’re doing some technical driving, which will make you get stuck when you don’t need to

    There’s no good reason for these pieces of shit to exist.

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      Completely. Give me a light Geländewagen (and I’m talking about the utility version that armies buy, not the blinged up Chelsea tractor version), with triple differential lock and it’ll out-drive these monster trucks any day, on any terrain, pulling the same weight.

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      There’s no good reason for these pieces of shit to exist.

      So did you start taking an old civic to the in-the-bush job site then or what?

      Edit: Or a midsize pickup or SUV or something? Helicopter? The down votes here are pretty absurd lol. I’m trying to figure out what vehicle to take to in-the-bush job sites in the future that can better handle the conditions, which the person I replied to specifically pointed out.

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        Most useful off-road vehicle I’ve ever driven was a lot like this thing: https://www.offroaderie.com/new-models/kawasaki-side-x-side-mule-sx-2036834140399698232475668

        Or just a regular sized pickup truck, which I’ve also used for plenty of sites. But honestly I prefer the mules because they hold all the stuff I need for work and can fit through most forest understory. And in the rare chance that you happen to turtle them it’s possible to pull them off/out of whatever they’re stuck on. If you get a giant truck stuck in the mud you’re donezo.

        I also took my Toyota Prius to plenty of sites, although I’d never off-road with it when the ground is swampy or sandy it did fine on plenty of rough roads and open fields. I’m sure a Subaru or other small all wheel drive sedan could handle lots of off-road work sites.

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          Thank you! Makes sense. I think I was sort of misreading your statement initially. And I guess I never really thought about the 350s and aboves useful applications (or lack thereof lol).

          I’ll add my Honda Element did surprisingly well for many 1000s of km of rough logging roads once upon a time.

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      5 months ago

      But what if I need to believe that others think my penis is bigger than it is? Is there any other way?

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        Get a properly sized pickup truck covered in dings and scratches showing you actually utilize the thing. Your penis is huge and you’ve got balls of steel! A paragon of masculinity!

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      Not to mention they don’t even fucking fit in off-road situations half the time. Unless you’re in a wide open field or have giant cleared roads (in which case why do you need an ultimate off-road machineTM), most off-road situations in the eastern US are going to involve trees. Try driving around trees in that thing and you’ll be stuck in a matter of minutes.

      For all the actual off road work I’ve done, the best vehicle has always been those little utility off-road vehicles (we call them mules or gators but I’m sure they have a real name) or just a regular-sized pickup truck with 4 wheel drive and low gears.

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        For all the actual off road work I’ve done, the best vehicle has always been those little utility off-road vehicles (we call them mules or gators but I’m sure they have a real name) or just a regular-sized pickup truck with 4 wheel drive and low gears.

        UTVs, side by sides, i’ve seen stuff like that used to refer to them in a more generic manner, shockingly those are so good primarily because they weigh nothing and have comparatively huge tires with way more surface area, while also having equivalent power if not more, just due to the size.

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      This line of work basically put me in the position that is the subject of commercials that try to convince suburban dads that they need a huge truck in case one day their family goes on a fictional camping trip to the middle of a swamp.

      This is so on point.

      So many defenders go, “It helped when I had to haul shit to the dump” or “I bring wood back to build my shed”.

      What about the other 95% of the year? Because I rent a van to move shit and I’m happy taking the bus.

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        “It helped when I had to haul shit to the dump” or “I bring wood back to build my shed”.

        the marks of a man scared to learn how to tow a trailer because “i don’t know how to do it”

        Just use a trailer, it’s not that bad.

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        Or do what I did and pay cash for a beat up old truck to do those things with. Mine didn’t even have a radio, the heat barely worked, but it hauled hog feed and garbage well enough. And I wasn’t paying a grand a month in a car payment and insurance.

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      My uncle did a four wheel driving day in his Subaru Forrester one time and it could climb hills others couldn’t because it was so light.

      I’ve also heard stories of farmers with tiny 4x4s like a Suzuki Jimny using them during floods because they don’t sink in the mud like the massive ones do

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      Anyways, you know what I learned? These fucking things suck at off-roading.

      no shit, they’re running live axle suspension, no amount of lift kit is going to get your diff case unstuck from the mud LMAO.

      Doesn’t help that these idiots also put small tires on big rims to get that bafflingly stupid look on them, which lowers the ride quality, and lowers the axle even more.

      I’m convinced you have to be brain damaged to own a bro dozer, let alone think an f150 with live axles can get around in mud. Bro almost nothing can, a humvee might do it, but it’s also literally built to do it. It’s got full independent suspension, nice large tires with high sidewalls, portal axles for increased clearance. It’s got a low cab, set next to the engine and transmission (that’s why they’re so wide) They’re short, so they can get around trees and shit and likewise have a low CG.

      And f150 looks like it was built to be a parody of a hummer, and it’s no surprise that they drive and handle like shit as a result.

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      please go send a 0 star review on constructors website.

      oh shit you can’t !

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    Both of these look terrible and very stressfull to drive.

    My 2021 Seat Leon hatchback fits my entire family, with luggage for a weekend, while being fun and relaxing to drive.

    These monstrosities are idiotic.

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      I hate how much they are spreading for no reason. We have rather small parking lots, especially in denser areas and underground parkings. Some 20 years ago that was never a problem at all. Now people take forever to park their shitty cars. People have to get out before they park, so they just stand in the way. Many use 2 parking spots because their fat asses can’t get out of their fat cars, or they just can’t drive in general and decided they need the biggest car they can afford to get groceries.

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        This shit is like tobacco. We all know it’s fucking awful and makes no sense, but some assholes insist.

        So treat it the same way: massive taxes (upon purchase, but also yearly), banned in many public places (underground parking, city centers, …) and there you go.

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    As someone from Texas, these are disgusting, and people driving this garbage are not friendly towards pedestrians at all. They have no self awareness sitting inside these killing machines.

    The only reason for 99.9% of people to drive this garbage is to feel big when on the road. How petty.

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    Both my brother in laws have huge modified trucks, both live in cities, both complain that the road infrastructure and parking doesn’t cater to their large vehicles… Also both have (probably) never used the truck bed.

    They are so huge, tons of room in the cab. Feels like driving in a living room. Have to ride over curbs to get out of parking lots though

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      I once asked a friend with a truck to help me pickup a BBQ. When attempting to load it he got so worried about us scratching the truck bed that eventually we couldn’t proceed. Called another buddy with a minivan, we put a moving blanket down and off we went. No whining, just work.

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        …minivans are fantastic purposeful vehicles and probably what one-quarter of SUVs should be driving; the other three-quarters should be driving cars if they hadn’t been swept up in the road-tank arms race…