When lemmy.ml answer detected:
Developer: makes platform
End User: “Fuck you.”
Tale as old as time.
But unlike Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page, the good folks at .ml did nothing wrong.
Genocide apologia is ‘nothing wrong’ to you, I see. Unsurprising.
It’s UnderpantsWeevil, our very own local .world tankie
Does “be civil” include constantly shitting on huge groups of users just because of the instance they created their account on? There’s a very simple solution for this if you truly believe an entire instance is worthless and it’s called the blocking function, but I suppose that’d stop the joy you get out of loudly complaining about that instance repeatedly.
.world consistently removes memes calling out their own communities. But they leave up any “meme” bashing .ml
As does ml. Worse even. But the fact that both do is a defense of neither. So I’m not sure why you even bring it up. Be better. World isn’t tied to any particular political ideology. Ml 100% is. And if you mention absolute documented facts. You can and will be banned from there. Because the facts go against the narratives. World has its problems. But I haven’t seen anything approaching that yet.
It’s a meme sub, chill out.
Pretty based take… coming from a lemmy.world user. /$
a) Huge groups of users well known to spread the promotion, praise and propaganda of dictatorships and other authoritarian governments, bigotry, racism and transphobia. Even when there are hard facts against them.
b) The Lemmy blocking function isn’t anywhere as good as you think it is. Maybe even by design, the main admin on .ml is also the lead dev of Lemmy after all.
Can you point me to any member of these “huge groups of well known users” spreading bigotry, racism, and transphobia?
First rule of using Lemmy: If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
“Well known” is so patronizing. It’s like OP is saying “yeah, everyone knows about this, what are you, some kind of loser?”. Another one of those phrases that immediately discredits whatever allegation is to follow.
All tankie users are in .ml, but not all .ml users are tankies.
You should always judge the merit of the comment, not whether or not the person is from .ml. If you see a comment that is pro-CCP or pro-Kremlin from an .ml user, then the point of the meme is valid. But a well-thought, benign, good-faith or wholesome comment from an .ml user should not be dismissed.
Except the pro-Russians won’t say they’re pro-Russians.
A lot of Russian propaganda is just sowing FUD.
Here’s a tangentially related comic, as I just read the latter bit of your comment in that tone, (not saying you’re guilty of the same things.)
Basically, because being directly pro-Russia is so see-through, a lot of bad actors merely sow FUD. For one check Davel@lemmy.ml if you want an example. A very polite person who lists links and sources (firehose of falsehood is also a soviet strategy btw).
Dude pretends to be American, talks American politics, but always in line with Russian propaganda, while saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” and absolutely refusing to address whether he is pro-Russian or not, despite very clearly having talking points which show he is strongly pro-Russian.
So either he’s an American who fucking loves Soviet culture and larps being Russian, is actively against Ukraine and believes Russia was eight to invade it, so the least patriotic American to ever exist.
OR… (and I believe this to be a tad more likely) he’s actually a lying Russian.
But Russians aren’t known for disinformation and lies, right? Right…?
Yes, of course you are right. But for those less experienced on discourse, there is the principle of charity. It is important to give the benefit of the doubt that the interlocutor is acting in good faith. But when you exhaust all the good-faith and sensible arguments, and that person resorts to either providing irrational points or acting unreasonably and/or disingenuously, then it is completely safe to assume that the person is actually a bad-faith actor. It’s on that person, not on you.
But you should not readily accuse someone a troll unless you could calmly point out why the person is such and such. Trolls exactly want you to do that.
Not everyone in a nazi bar is a nazi. Let’s hear them out and give them the benefit of the doubt even though they could go to literally any bar, but keep going to the nazi bar
When choosing an instance, it is not necessarily overtly advertised as such. It’s just one of the largest instances, so many “regular” people are obviously going to pick it. New users are not going to be intimately familiar with the elaborate politics of federated Lemmy servers upon first arrival. It would be a bit bizarre to expect them to be.
Sure, and anyone can walk into a nazi bar. But with threads like this being fairly common, and ML people behaving as they do, you have every chance to realise pretty quickly and leave
Hell, ML people are bad enough that I imagine a lot of sane people leave lemmy entirely, if they pick an instance that hasn’t defederated ML yet. I’m looking at alternatives myself as getting associated with these types of people isn’t a great idea, and the lemmy developers are part of the problem
I mean I just never ended up subscribing to political communities, so I never see any political related things anyway. If you only subscribe to meme and lighthearted communities, you’re not likely to run into that stuff. Your comparison of it being a “Nazi bar” doesn’t work. I’ve never been someone who browsed the “all” category of Reddit, and I’ve not been inclined to do that here on Lemmy, either. So no, you often won’t see that sort of thing unless you’re browsing by all communities.
Well, you’d need to pay a very specific amount of attention to not notice the tankies from ML, but really notice and be bothered but people shunning ML because of the tankies. I guess it’s possible, but it seems unlikely to be common
Well now you’re not making any sense. I don’t see “tankie” comments because I don’t subscribe to or browse political communities. Yet I see plenty of posts and complaints about said users in non-political communities. Check where we are right now. We’re in a meme community. Of course if I subscribe to meme communities, I’ll see posts and comments like this. It’s not that complicated to understand.
I see plenty of ML people being awful in meme communities. I’m amazed you don’t. Any even remotely political meme will attract them, or at least would back when they were out in force supporting Trump leading up to the election.
And that is even though I’ve blocked ML and have a hair trigger for blocking .ml accounts
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- Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
- Why don’t you just block the instance
Edit: thank you for real responses, got so used to be people getting pissed for no reason on social media that I was genuinely surprised to check Lemmy and see a bunch of genuine answers with no butthurt to be seen
Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
The admins and mods cultivate a community of genocide denial and authoritarian apologism, which many users on the instance then buy into.
Why don’t you just block the instance
Instance blocking only blocks communities, not users, who still show up whenever there’s a Chinese genocide to deny or a Russian atrocity to “WHATABOUT”, or a non-Western aligned dictator to “BOTHSIDES”.
My current favorite is Taliban-simping.
When I accidentally blocked an instance, any comment from a user on that instance would be replaced by a message like “you have blocked this instance and so will not see this comment.” I don’t know if that’s a feature of my client, Connect, or of lemmy itself.
Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
Extending an invitation to peruse !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for some context of mod behavior
- Lots of toxicity and bad takes.
- It isn’t literally the entire instance.
It isn’t literally the entire instance.
Maybe not, but when the admins and mods are part of the problem, it becomes pervasive.
Lemmy.ml is admin’d and moderated mostly by Marxists, and the liberal side of Lemmy is hostile to that. That’s the principle contradiction, everything else stems from that core issue.
Even though I came from reddit, I approach comments on their own merits and I don’t downvote just for disagreeing with someone.
We are not the same.
Nah, my comments are all pretty dumb. OP’s logic checks out.
I don’t care about all the politics and shit regarding instances, i just want to use lemmy :(
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yeah I was echoing the meme. silly joke
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Why tho? I’m having trouble figuring out the differences in instances
The lemmy.ml instance is known to have admins, mods and users that spread the promotion, praise and propaganda of dictatorships and other authoritarian governments, bigotry, racism and transphobia. Even when there are hard facts against them.
When I first got lemmy, I think I signed up to .ml but after a while I couldn’t log in so I made a .world acc
Ooh hard facts? I love hard facts! Which hard facts are you talking about?
How about China is, in fact, a dictatorship for starters. The Communist in “Chinese Communist Party” is just there for show.
China is a capitalistic country with a state guidance in their industrial policy and a dictator in the helm.
They don’t really even have anything in regards to a national health care.
How about China is, in fact, a dictatorship for starters
That could be true. But I wonder, in general, what is the process for determining whether a country is a dictatorship or not, from the outside? China claims to be a democracy and holds elections, like just about every other country under the sun. Of course, not every country with elections is actually a democracy, but if we’re talking “hard facts” I think we need to be able to point to specific, objective things.
The Communist in “Chinese Communist Party” is just there for show.
Isn’t the Chinese Communist Party the single largest self-identifying communist party in the world? Shouldn’t that factor in, like, at least a little bit into our standards for what defines a communist party? Regardless, this is kind of just your subjective opinion, isn’t it? Again, what specific, objective standards are you looking at to distinguish between “real” communism and “fake” communism?
Lemmy.ml is admin’d and moderated by mostly Marxists. That’s the principle reason, everything else stems from hostility towards Marxism and Marxists.
i joined .ml as it was the first instance i come across when trying lemmy out. Iv heard the admins are tankies but to be honest i dont actually know what a tankie is. i just use lemmy to look at memes and follow foss communities. i try to block all political stuff as i want to enjoy my exprience and stay ignorant to the politics here.
If you’re capable of identifying a bad take on the internet, I wouldn’t worry about it.
That’s a bit harsh if you ask me. Back in 2021 there wasn’t many Lemmy servers for register.
You can scroll through my 1.400 comments and don’t find a tankie-like comment.
Btw. Lemmy.ml is the dev server, every new update and feature starts here.
That’s a bit harsh if you ask me.
My thoughts exactly for getting banned for making a simple joke.
I was on ml and it was pretty chill for a non-tankie. Until a mod powertripped and ban me for insulting an homophobe. Some people like me join the instance without knowing of all this tankie thing. IMO, hexbear is far more toxic.
The only bans I saw on your account were for being needlessly hostile- and they look like they all were extremely short.
Re: the homophobic comments, in your posts that got removed you were hostile for what looks to me like your misinterpreting a bad attempt at a bad joke (not even from .ml user, but .ee), though you didn’t tell them to kys that time at least. You then went through the their profile responding to months old posts to try to continue things, again being needlessly hostile- if I had to venture a guess that was more of the reason for your ban 5 months ago. Plenty of other instances will also temp ban for behavior like that.
and then 8 months ago you dropped this gem: CW self harm, transphobia
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The accusations of toxicity seem to be projection.
Every fucking time.
It’s comedy that regularly writes itself.
CW self harm, transphobia
Bullshit.
Why don’t you show the context?The user bullied me for being gay. He’s the one who went into my history and saw I was a gay dad. He reply to my comment about the fact that I love my daughter with the reply “You’re gay”. Then mods like you told me it was a "bad joke’ remove my post and let the douche’s post up.
Now I’d like to see where I’ve been transphobe, , I have a trans person really close to me that would probably like to see that but it never happened.
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CW self harm, transphobiaBullshit. Why don’t you show the context?
Oh here’s the context for the transphobic comment too:
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It was in this post about donald trump posting an image of Joe Biden tied up
You opened up with this, which is pretty clearly trolling.
Marcie responded with a similarly pointed comment that also got removed for being uncivil.
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Then you dropped your transphobic/kys comment in response to someone saying that Trump could get shot for treason but the democrats will never follow through. This is expressing frustration with liberals who talk a big game but when the chips are down take no action. Not sure what you were trying to accomplish other than being needlessly hostile.
Worth noting all of this is in the public modlog, anyone can look it up
This is just “removed by mod” . I’m not transphobic no matter how hard you want it to be real. Oh, and I actually went to see Chapo in Montreal a couple years back, before I understood who these people are. They kept making joke about how french Canadians are stupid and inferior, to an audience of 90% unilingual white males. Absolutely pathetic, it’s probably on youtube.
You asked for the context, click on the spoiler tag if you want to see the removed comment, here’s another link
I really don’t see how taking a shot at hexbear as being ‘95% guys’ is relevant, or anything other than being intentionally transphobic, but I look forward to your explanation.
Also I don’t care about shittalking chapo lol, pretty much every time I’ve listened to them (extremely infrequent occurrence) I’ve been annoyed by something.
OMG what? It’s the sentence about hexbear being a bunch of dude that’s suppose to be transphobic? I must be stupid because I failed to see how trans people are involved in this. I stand by what I’ve said, Hexbear is filled by a bunch privilege white guys that pretends to represent minorities they know nothing about. It’s where all the chapo community migrated after being banned on reddit, so basically some bros of the socalled dirtbag left and tankies.
4chan level bigotry, shocking.
Just editing this in to address the question, yes it is. That’s just being transphobic. If they say they’re trans they’re trans. You do not get to dictate what someone else’s gender is just because you disagree with their politics or because a podcast insulted French Canadians.
I agree that ‘ironic’ homophobia is still homophobia, and should be removed, just like ‘ironic’ misogyny and transphobia.
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his comment wasn’t ‘You’re gay’, but it was close
A meme this could be seen as referencing is this
you responded with this:
Going into past threads to respond about an unrelated grievance would get you a temp ban in a lot of lemmies, regardless how valid.
Here’s the transphobic part of the post of yours - the same one in the post above
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Hexbear has done many surveys at this point of the gender of its users (most recent one linked here) As of this last one cis people are in the minority, I don’t know why you would insert a comment like that if you weren’t trying to be transphobic.
Lol. The joke about shooting “a superiority complex” (3 feet above your head) is encouraging self-harm? This the probably the most told joke about French people ever, it was invented by Belgium. I haven’t met a single person from France that doesn’t find really it funny, and I’ve met more then you ever will. Maybe it doesn’t translate well, but it’s definitely a joke, no ambiguity here. On the other hand a loser calling me “Gay” for loving my daughter it’s clearly humor?? Fuck off lol. I’ve been bullied all my life, I’ve learned to stand up against this kind of “joke”. Maybe I’ve overacted but I will always show my teeth when it involves my daughter and homophobia.
I still haven’t seen my so-called transphobic comment, why don’t you just quote it?
BTW, you’re just confirming me that you .ml people are powertripping hardcore. I use to defend the instance but I will now gladly join the bashing. You people suck.
This the probably the most told joke about French people ever, it was invented by Belgium.
I’m not familiar with it, and I doubt many other people reading it got that either. It’s a little ironic that you’re this bent out of shape when other people don’t get your joke but at the same time can’t give other people the same deference.
I still think removing the homophobic comment -ironic or otherwise- was the right move, however you going into months-old threads to harass them about your current beef was also something begging for moderation.
I still haven’t seen my so-called transphobic comment, why don’t you just quote it?
I have, twice now, are you being intentionally obtuse? click on the spoiler tag if you want to see.
hmm, I wonder why .ml dislikes .world so much. It couldn’t possibly have to do with us shitting on them so much.
As a user of neither, I’ve only been banned from one of them for making fun of government leaders
Don’t leave us hanging why did .world ban you?!
hmm, I wonder why many other instances dislikes .ml so much. It couldn’t possibly have to do with them praising and spreading the propaganda of authoritarian governments so much.
