Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.
I’m not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don’t listen they are going to fail again.
Pelosi is a piece of shit whose career should have ended in jail for insider trading decades ago.
As a Democrat, even I’m sick of Pelosi’s shit.
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New information shows his internal polling at the time showed he’d lose to Trump’s 407 electoral votes… He still refused to step down for over a month. You are incorrect that he would have won by all metrics that can be known.
Joe Biden absolutely would not have won wtf are you talking about 💀
He would have lost even harder.
The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don’t listen they are going to fail again.
They would rather fail than listen.
They would rather fail than
listensacrifice corporate donations
I think the biggest issue was actually with messaging. Democrats were still pretty much relying on MSM which almost no young people watch.
I think that beyond what Sanders says what left needs are young people, true populists (as opposed to pseudopopulists ones like MAGA has) with progressive messages.
Honestly I think this is huge. I’m nowhere as old as these dinosaurs but even I’m surprised that people get “news” and info from podcasts and such. Mainly because any old jackass could prattle on about whatever without a single lick of knowledge but…
That appears to be the case though.
any old jackass could prattle on about whatever without a single lick of knowledge
Welcome to rural talk radio.
Based on his remarks, I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.
And if that’s what he’s doing, and he pulls it off, it’ll be a good thing, and I’ll probably register a political affiliation other than “no party/unaffiliated” for the first time in about 14 years.
I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.
I don’t know how such a thing could ever happen, but I never thought where we are today could happen, so what do I know?
Yep, same.
I’m getting down voted to fuck elsewhere for pointing this out.
Sorry to hear it. Sometimes the dogpile is real.
Copium and sour grapes help wash it down. I was highly let down but not the least bit surprised by the outcome. I am trying to get people accept that the Dems need reform if we’re going to continue with a two party system.
Unfortunately, the Pelosis and Schumers are going to continue to shove milquetoast and false hope down our throat while continuing to move to the right to try and grab the republican demographic.
Meanwhile, the rest of us just want food, education, housing, and a way to retire before we’re 90.
These Conservative Democrats are so uninspiring that we’d allow Nazi level fascists to take over.
If this is the political reality, then it’s the political reality that must be adapted to.
Centrists would rather lose.
Conservative democrats are republicans. The dems made their tent so big that it has lost all meaning. I dont recall dem politicians ever going to the right of repubilcans in the past. It would have seemed impossible. Biden/Harris normalized it.
Pelosi’s attitude is a big reason why
She believes voters work for her and need to do what she wants or she scolds them, afterwards they’ll listen.
Bernie believes the best way to get elected is to show voters you’ll help them.
One method is very effective, it’s just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.
If an elected official put the average voter first, where does that leave the wealthy?
Not first? Completely unacceptable, Thurston get my mink we’re leaving.
The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn’t see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it’s still deeply out of touch.
Kamala Harris did everything right
She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.
They’re looking forward to wishing they were able to live paycheck to paycheck…
Lord knows you’re looking forward to watching people suffer just so you can lecture harder.
Scolding voters into voting for someone who represents no deviation from an untenable status quo has failed, very publicly, twice. It doesn’t matter how bad the opponent is. This strategy is shit. Stop using it. Learn, damn you all. Learn.
I voted for Harris.
Me too and I wasn’t saying that I’m looking forward to it…I’m saying the economics are going to be horrible and we’re going to long to these times back.
Yeah, if Trump pulls the stuff he said he’d pull (Tariffs and mass deportations), then the supply of goods inside the country will fall drastically, resulting in stronger inflation. Which will then result in consumption of anything nonessential to collapse. This will lead to increasing unemployment.
She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.
Nope. Her plan was “I am going to lower taxes on the middle class and provide additional help n these specific ways”. But she presented that plan in a very flawed way.
That you were not aware of her actual message is partly your fault and partly her fault.
No, it’s her fault.
It’s not… I was aware of her 82 page economic plan. How come you weren’t aware of it? It’s your fault that you weren’t aware of her economic plan while people like me were aware of it. If I did you then you could have done it.
Honestly, fuck Pelosi. Completely out of touch. I wish we could ride ourselves of these dinosaurs.
Now this is
podracingpolitics!
Pelosi is the best example of what’s wrong with Dems. Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.
Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
Bernie is literally quoted in the article saying “Nancy is a friend of mine”.
The main thing she’s known for is rampant unabashed insider trading. If that isn’t enriching herself then I don’t know what is.
Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
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Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
Are we playing the “it’s her spouse who is the stock investor” game?
https://www.newsweek.com/how-nancy-pelosi-net-worth-vastly-increased-while-house-speaker-1762361
Because if this is how one accumulates wealth, it certainly sounds like it’s “off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.”
D.C.-based nonprofit OpenSecrets.org estimated Pelosi’s net worth at $115 million in 2020, a rise of $41 million since 2004 - the first year OpenSecrets began tracking members’ personal finances.
Paul Pelosi’s company, Financial Leasing Services, has been highly successful in its investments in recent years and those investments have included shares in major firms such as Disney, Amazon and Google.
The New York Post estimated that the Pelosis had made between $5.6 million and $30.4 million between 2007 and 2020 through capital gains and dividends from investments in five tech companies - Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft - based on public disclosures.
That’s not really good evidence. They could’ve made more money by just holding an SP 500 index fund. Their recent Visa trade is better evidence.
Fair! But personally it’s my opinion that in all but a vanishingly small number of cases, if someone is sitting on high tens of millions of dollars and on up, I feel very certain that fundamentally this description works:
Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.
While there are people who are underpaid and struggling to eat, there’s not a path to that kind of wealth that isn’t directly or indirectly exploiting their pain and suffering.
Their wealth is itself the evidence.
“do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you?”
Forget about me, or the working class, the Democratic party doesn’t actually fight for anything.
2000 election stolen in Florida? Ho hum, oh well… we’ll get 'em next time! (2004 election stolen in Ohio…)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa
https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-mysterious/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/
You rightly nominated a Supreme Court Justice but the Senate refuses to give them a hearing? Oh well! Guess we’ll just have to win the 2016 election…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination
Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.
I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.
One of the biggest things about being a leftist is being right about stuff before it’s considered polite.
What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.
progressives are already 8% of voters. We can make or break elections now.
Having the numbers isn’t enough, there needs to be organization. A group of 8% of the electorate that votes in lockstep could affect policy pretty fundamentally, more than any amount of money could.
What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.
Yes. But it can be any group of voters. Could be a ‘tea party on the left’.
Aren’t organization and group synonymous?
And of course, this is assuming that Trump isn’t going to establish himself as a dictator. Of course, the thing is Trump is too old to be dictator. And the people around him don’t seem to be the most competent, either. So I sort of don’t know what’s going to happen. In any case, I’m glad that I don’t live in the US, thought authoritarianism is advancing globally.
Now, imagine this sentiment among thousands of people, across multiple states. That’s how you lose an election.
Lmao buddy. Ignoring the people to the left is how you literally just lost an election
Sorry, but losing strategies deserve to lose. Im tired of voting for someone because they’re slightly less bought and paid for.
The best reason to vote for Harris was because she was going to raise taxes on billionaires and corporations like Biden did also. Why would you NOT do that?
Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong
Nope. Neither Biden nor Harris never once told Bernie he is “wrong”.
The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.
Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them
Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities
Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing
Trump said he’d fire workers rather than pay them overtime
Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy
Etc, etc
Which indicates that policy is secondary to messaging. On every substantive policy metric, Democrats are better than Republicans. People even say they prefer Democratic policies over Republicans’ when polled, by wide margins. So it must be the messenger and the way the message is being conveyed that is losing elections. That’s not to say that policies don’t matter, they absolutely do, but if you’ve got great policies and shit messaging, then you’re not going to win voters over, no matter how much better you are.
I forgot which comedian did this bit during their standup but their point was that progressives/liberals/leftists suck at messaging or sloganeering. Their goals are noble but there are no catchy slogans to go with it.
Just think about it. “They’re killing the babies!” is way more catchy and effective than “Access to abortion should be available to everyone. Even if you want to have a child, some complications or health issues may require you to abort the pregnancy as early as you can.” Yeah that’s not reaching everyone, is it? And you can’t scream it like “They’re killing the babies!”
And that’s just an example of policy that was chosen by few states’, which they also voted for GOP, giving them power to ban abortion on federal level. (In case you are wondering which states: Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Nevada)
If you can’t communicate how you can give the people what they want, how do you even counter “Democrats hate America!” or stuff like that?
My body, my choice has been the message since forever.
And that works great as a protest slogan where people are already aware of how it works. But not a great slogan when you want to reach to people who are ignorant about what it entails.
No Nancy. You and your DNC are wrong and that is why you lost the presidency, senate, and house.
Fake party.
Pelosi is wrong. But she is not the owner of the DNC. The DNC is controlled by delegates elected by primary voters. The DNC is not a person or monolithic entity.
The DNC is controlled by delegates elected by primary voters.
I’m afraid thats not entirely true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate
Also, party leadership constantly changes the rules to suit the election cycle. They are a private entity and can run primaries however they want. In the DNC vs Sanders case, they successfully argued that they can elect canddates in a smoke filled back room if they so chose, and had no legal duty to fairness or in representing the will of the voters whatsoever.
I’m afraid thats not entirely true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate
It is entirely true. No superdelegate can vote in the initial primary vote.
They are a private entity and can run primaries however they want.
Subject to the DNC charter. They are bound by the DNC charter in the same way that the government is bound by the Constitution.
they successfully argued that they can elect canddates in a smoke filled back room if they so chose
They argued they could change the DNC charter, which it technically true. The USA how the power to change its Constituion, but it is still bound by it.
It is entirely true. No superdelegate can vote in the initial primary vote.
they change that rule as needed every election.
Honestly call or email the Democratic party
Do it because it will be cathartic, but don’t do it expecting them to listen. Progressives need a new tack if we’re actually going to save humanity from ourselves. (Spoiler, we probably won’t)
Pelosi’s response kinda proves that the DNC is just the other side of the shit coin running the funhouse arcade game of American democracy
Pelosi should just gtfo and become a stock broker. She’s unusually good at trading stocks for some obscure reason.
(The reason is insider trading)
As a stock broker she would be subject to the law against insider trading.
I think you mean barrel shroud broker.
Will be writing my reps later today and I sent a few bucks to Bernie since I figure what better way to tell a politician they’re barking up the right tree?
I know online petitions are generally cringe but if there was one backing up Bernie’s stance here and telling the Dems to get their heads out of their own asses, I’d sign it in a heartbeat. If other people feel similarly, maybe we should get the ball rolling? Best case Dems get the message, worst case we waste our time and nothing changes, right?
There’s always https://democrats.org/contact-us/
worst case is nothing changes and you get put on a donor list and passed around to politicians you dont even like.
Pelosi needs to fade away into the sunset
Sanders is right, and people are right to be.
