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I think european liberals would rather work with fascists than even collaborate with the left, let alone call themselves “left”… oh, wait, they do.
US liberals also would rather work with fascists, but they would call themselves left regardless.
We need to start calling liberals what they are. Conservatives.
And we need to start calling the conservatives what they are. Authoritarian elites.
Democrats should actually do that. Maga vs conservative. It would be a huge marketing win.
You’re all equally left as far as the right is concerned.
Honestly, that’s just it. You’ll get people on the right using hyped rhetoric about “the left”, “liberals”, “leftists” and other synonyms that can be used to describe anyone from Hillary Clinton to AOC and beyond. Are there people (particularly in the “and beyond” category) that an average person may be concerned with? Sure. Are they clearly explaining that they don’t mean half the country? Absolutely not.
For the average Republican voter yes. Neo-Nazis and rulers are probably more intelligent though.
By definition absolutely. But most countries’ “Liberal Party” is almost always conservative.
You can go further and say that they’re inherently enemies.
The irony that you used that episode to emphasize your point is not lost on me.
Americans are so divisive they love to hate even on their own side. No true leftists, according to all of them
So this election was lost hard because of infighting and the resulting apathy so great thanks for adding more infighting by shitting on the inferior “liberals”
When I hear “liberal” or “left” now, all I hear is, “infighting little bitches with 1,000 messages and no focus”. I hear FAILURE.
Do you think leftists were the reason Donald Trump got voted?
People, who I can tell from your tone already, might’ve voted until reading the kind of shit you’d write and then use that as an excuse to stay home, are a large part of the reason Trump got close to the same number of votes 4 years ago but Kamala got several million less than Biden did.
The point is that I don’t give a fuck what they call themselves or what various things they believe differently than me, I just needed their vote. And the purity tests damn sure did not work in favor of that.
Do you honestly think there is any chance in hell that scolding people for not being left enough got anyone to vote for Harris?
I think your boogeyman leftist who scolds people who wanna vote Harris had a marginal to no effect on the results.
In my opinion people who vote Trump are of course racist and misogynist but also desperate for change. And I think they are stuck in Republican media that tells them Trump doesn’t really wanna infringe women’s rights that much and immigrants are roving the country, wrecking communities. They are stuck with sky high cost of living with no change in their wages for decades and to them Trump will bring change to the system, I don’t know why but apparently they do. And his solution is outlaw being different. You and I know that’s not a solution to anything, but they buy it.
I believe their plight is real, although their world view about other people and what the real problem is has nothing to do with reality. But Democrat messaging amounts to “everything is fine, we’ll keep everything the same” and nobody believes that. Harris has some good policies that she brought up once or twice, but for the most part she goes with the 50k home loan if you’ve been a good kid thing. That won’t change shit for people who aren’t even close to buying a house. Lead your campaign with anti price gouging policies for example if you want to campaign with something people want and understand. I could go on a rant about catering to right wing voters as well and how it’s a stupid strategy.
The problem people like you seem to have is your belief that people are only obligated to vote Kamala and that you expect them to have the same level of trust in the Democratic party as you. They aren’t and they don’t. The party establishment insist that the number say the economy is growing therefore everyone is fine. Is that really the vibe that people are feeling?
Unconstrained campaign financing and lobbying will always dilute the power of democracy and liberalism, but liberalism is a good alternative to bloody revolutions or forced changes. Humanist philosophies prefer liberalism to some degree, but I could be wrong 🤷♀️
The entire population except for fringe groups of terminally online leftists: Yes.
