First of all, the thing I was responding to was your comment on 3rd party voters who (last I checked) had less votes than were needed to bring the Dems over the finish line. Jill Stein is a grifter who is probably on Russian payroll, but she is not the problem.

Second, I can make the same argument as you: the party risked it all to run on a corpo interest campaign even though people were fed up on it, just so they hadn’t have to anger those interests by running a more successful one. Now queer people are in danger because of it. What you’re saying is that instead of a party running a campaign that hinges on misinformed people voting for them, on a platform that doesn’t do anything for them, these misinformed voters are at fault. It’s just not.

This goes into the third point, you say those were the only two choices Americans had. These choices aren’t static. We all had the same conversation when it came to Joe Biden being the nominee, people also were saying Dems had to change their candidate. But people like you were saying no, these are our choices, deal with it. But after the debate all of a sudden change was so easy and natural. Your argument is bullshit. Harris nominated Walz as VP and was lining up a more progressive stance. But after some neolib pollster told her that doesn’t win her stuff, guess what? She changed her campaign back. By the way the Dems should litigate for damages on these pollsters and open up homeless shelters in their offices.

The people are racist and misogynist. Everybody knows that. Most people are living paycheck to paycheck, can’t afford housing and groceries and would rather vote a fascist who promises to change things. The Democratic party set up a campaign that hinges on these peoples virtue and promised things staying the same as before instead of change. That is the problem.

Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

3rd party didn’t amount to shit. It’s the lack of a campaign that has any messages other than “vote us or you’ll get Hitler” and “we’re Republican Lite, the reasonable racist”. It’s the chasing of a handful of Republican voters which didn’t amount to shit instead of coming up with popular progressive points that are simple and effective.

50k for a home loan if you’ve been a good boy is weak. Pro military shit is exhausting. Doing nothing on Gaza was unpopular, but hey AIPAC loves it. Saying you won’t do anything different from Biden was sweet and touching for Old Joe, but a horrible idea to win an election where he’s been unpopular.

You just can’t fathom that this is the Democrats fault, eh? It was their Republican Lite campaign, so it’s their fault. Not young people, not Latinos, not muslims. Leftists couldn’t say shit about how this wouldn’t workall year, because that would only help Trump. Now they’re at fault. Maybe you can think about a course change for once instead of blaming anybody but the party elites that are only invested in donor interests.

I think your boogeyman leftist who scolds people who wanna vote Harris had a marginal to no effect on the results.

In my opinion people who vote Trump are of course racist and misogynist but also desperate for change. And I think they are stuck in Republican media that tells them Trump doesn’t really wanna infringe women’s rights that much and immigrants are roving the country, wrecking communities. They are stuck with sky high cost of living with no change in their wages for decades and to them Trump will bring change to the system, I don’t know why but apparently they do. And his solution is outlaw being different. You and I know that’s not a solution to anything, but they buy it.

I believe their plight is real, although their world view about other people and what the real problem is has nothing to do with reality. But Democrat messaging amounts to “everything is fine, we’ll keep everything the same” and nobody believes that. Harris has some good policies that she brought up once or twice, but for the most part she goes with the 50k home loan if you’ve been a good kid thing. That won’t change shit for people who aren’t even close to buying a house. Lead your campaign with anti price gouging policies for example if you want to campaign with something people want and understand. I could go on a rant about catering to right wing voters as well and how it’s a stupid strategy.

The problem people like you seem to have is your belief that people are only obligated to vote Kamala and that you expect them to have the same level of trust in the Democratic party as you. They aren’t and they don’t. The party establishment insist that the number say the economy is growing therefore everyone is fine. Is that really the vibe that people are feeling?

Do you think leftists were the reason Donald Trump got voted?

I’m not arguing for the BRD and how not fucked LGBTQ and women’s rights were. I’m arguing against a picture that the GDR had better rights in general when in fact most people who didn’t strictly follow the party line were heavily suppressed and observed.

Edit: forgot women’s rights

I’m not arguing for the BRD and how not fucked LGBTQ rights were. I’m arguing against a picture that the GDR had better rights in general when in fact most people who didn’t strictly follow the party line were heavily suppressed and observed.

Dissidents for “hey we need to fix the problems of socialism” or dissidents for “we have to dissolve socialist democracy and let the capitalists pillage us” were treated very differently

Do you seriously tell yourself the GDR was a democratic socialist country? The GDR not being democratic was exactly it’s problem and why it couldn’t reform its problems. And yeah, the people only wanted to get oppressed by capitalists when they protested in Leipzig and Berlin. If you really believe that I don’t know what to tell you. Are you some Wessi who doesn’t know shit about life in the GDR?

And the ones arguing for dissolving socialism got what they wanted, and the result is justification enough for their oppression tbh.

Man, they wanted something better than the shit show that their life had become. They had many ideas about how they could reform their country. A new socialist constitution, a emancipated reunion with the West etc. All they knew was that it couldn’t go on with the current SED clique.

How did the SED respond? Fucking off with the last money. They left their population with no help when they negotiated with Kohl. But hey, to you that’s just capitalist propaganda probably. Now it’s the people’s fault that they got screwed by the capitalists pfffff

Better to suppress right wing dissidents than let them oppress vast swathes of the population.

Holy shit bro. Do you think Hohenschönhausen was filled with right wingers and capitalists and that your beloved party didn’t oppress the population? First of right wing networks were left alone all over the country. What we see now in Thüringen and Sachsen didn’t just hop over from the BRD after the wall fell. It merely got reinforced. Second, do you really think only right wing dissidents got suppressed? My father got in trouble because he stepped into the voting booth, NOT casting his vote openly for the SED. Democratic my ass bro, righteous suppression of right wingers lol. 100k Stasi agents 200k informants just for right wing dissidents, yeah right

Yes these rights rights were lost, but this paints the GDR in a positive light regarding regarding civil rights when in reality people who showed a smidge of dissent were persecuted.

Yeah, that was just a stupid Dropout joke ^^

Damn, Sam Reichs father is really big on social media

In my experience vegans never tell others out of the blue they’re vegan. Most of the time they get interrogated about their nutritional intakes or about if they dared to inconvenience others around them