Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.
If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.
During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.
“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.
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Trumps plan to “solve russias war against ukraine” is to “give up”.
Is this the man you want leading your country?
Imagine FDR “solving ww2” by surrendering to japan and the nazis
This was his strategy in Afghanistan too!
Arguably that was always going to end with a Taliban takeover, but we could’ve done that without giving them a leg up.
If only we’d continued our brutal occupation of Afghanistan another 20 years, maybe the regime would’ve lasted another two weeks after we left.
Y’all are completely hopeless, enjoy your forever wars.
No, we should’ve left shortly after killing Bin Laden.
If we had pulled out then, the regime we were propping up would instantly collapse and the withdrawal would’ve been messy and y’all would be criticizing Obama for pulling out the exact same way you’re criticizing the pullout the way it actually played out, because it was always going to play out the same way.
Criticism >>>> More American soldiers dying in a pointless war
Mike Gravel said it best:
You know what’s worse than a soldier dying in vain? It’s more soldiers dying in vain.
That quote directly contradicts you criticizing the stance of giving up on Afghanistan. I should be the one quoting it at you. I cannot make any sense of your position whatsoever.
Not giving up, tipping the scales to favor a terrorist organization. His “deal” gave the Taliban greater legitimacy, bolstered their numbers, and probably gave them all a good laugh as we held up our end and they almost immediately violated the agreement.
No need to imagine when we have history to reference.
To his credit, Chamberlain wasn’t as bad as he’s made out. When he implemented his policy of appeasement, Britain was not actually capable of meaningfully resisting nazi Germany. He basically brought time to bring Britain back to a war footing. When it became obvious to the public that war was coming, he fell on his sword. This cleared the way for Churchill to take charge, without significant infighting. He also inherited Britain on a far better war footing, and even then it was a close thing.
Basically, Chamberlain knew his plan wouldn’t work long term. He took one “for king and country”, likely knowing how it would be perceived. I can at least respect him for that.
I’m not arguing it was or wasn’t right for Britain position at the time. Just making the point we know, from direct history, a policy of appeasement does nothing to stop further advancement.
It did though. Hitler could have gone after Britain and france earlier. However, he thought Britain was staying out of things, and so played more safe and slow. This brought Britain the time it needed. Hitler honestly didn’t expect Britain to declare war on him, and that slowed his assault on that front. If WW2 had gone serious even 6 months earlier, Britain would have been in serious trouble. The RAF would have collapsed under the luftwaffa, and WW2 would have been very different. Appeasement traded lives for time.
Don’t get me wrong, it was a dick move, and threw others under the tanks tracks to save Britain. It’s also worth noting that this is not what Trump is trying to do. He’s just being a boot licker to the most powerful person who will talk to him. Appeasement at least had a positive goal.
Hitler could have gone after Britain and france earlier
Hitler didn’t have a strong military in 1930’s either. It gave Hitler time to build.
“The Rhineland coup is often seen as the moment when Hitler could have been stopped with very little effort; the German forces involved in the move were small, compared to the much larger, and at the time more powerful, French military.”
“how do you remove your hand from a lion’s mouth?”
“very carefully.”
Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Nice doggie’ until you can find a rock.
- Will Rogers
If Chamberlain can give up Czeckoslovakia for “peace for our time”, and be remembered as a great man (or at least as a garage door opener) surely Trump can be remembered for all time by giving up Eastern Europe for profit for his time
Appeasement doesn’t work. Appeasement never works. It didn’t work with Hitler and it won’t work with Put-ler. This piece of shit is a useful idiot and I’m saddened that quite a few people today lap this shit up and see this as the best path forward. Ukraine may be scarred now but they can and will rebuild when they win this war. Slava Ukraini
Appeasement can work, just not in the obvious way. It’s like throwing steaks at a pack of hungry wolves. It won’t slow them for long, but it might give you enough time to find the shells, and load the shotgun.
What Trump is doing doesn’t even rise to the level of appeasement. He’s just begging like a whipped dog to his master.
That’s a damn good analogy. Appease for long enough to grab a big stick. My original thought on Dementia Don saying just “give Putin what he wants” felt to me like a “if we do this now he won’t ask for more later and the war will stop” kinda thing. As I read it now I’m willing to bet you’re more correct. There is no nuance here. The orange cheeto is angling for praise from his master and dictators the world over. How fucking dumb
Appease for long enough to grab a big stick.
Neville Chamberlain got a bad rap from history for doing exactly this. He gave Hitler bits of what he wanted while making sure Britain had enough modern fighters (Hurricanes and Spitfires) to fend off the Luftwaffe when war inevitably did break out.
I know a Ukrainan born US citizen with a significant amount of family still living in Ukraine who is also a Trump supporter. He hates Russia and wants Ukraine to maintain independence. I asked him a couple of weeks ago what he thought would happen to Ukraine if Trump was reelected and he said Ukraine would probably be left to fend for themselves. This statement did not come with remorse or condemnation, it was delivered in the same way you would describe the winner of a sporting event. A simple statement of fact.
I don’t know how to respond to that kind of thinking. If the understanding that your vote might lead to the death of your family members doesn’t break through the political polarization in this country and make you reconsider then I don’t think anything will.
Crazy that these reporters can understand what Trump is trying to articulate around that mouthful of Putin’s dick.
To be fair it is a rather small dick.
And a rather big mouth.
Remember, that Putin has ambitions way beyond Ukraine. He will likely want the EU and NATO to pull out from CEE at minimum, if not those countries to join his empire in some way or another.
He won’t stop heading west until he regains control of alaska
Ask the japanese how well that goes over.
OF COURSE HE DOES
“Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.
And this just shows how uninformed Trump is.
- Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took Crimea! Ukraine did not attack.
- Russia then invade in Luhansk and Donbas and illegally annex both regions in 2022
So what deal is Trump talking about that would have left Ukraine alone? 2014? Nope. 2022? Nope.
The only deal Putin is willing to accept is total control over the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
Nah, he and the Duma have stated their victory conditions: total control over Ukraine AND the destruction of Ukrainian national identity. He doesn’t want Ukraine thinking of itself as a sovereign nation, only a Russian state.
Well, he might be on to something.
I’m studying world history for the first time and I’ve so far gotten to 1938 and while I know absolutely nothing that happened after that, so far it looks like this suggestion has worked with this Hitler fellow.
Donald, you bitch, you are the biggest coward. Go off yourself for humanity’s sake
It makes sense that Trump wants to surrender. He’s a pussy.
He lacks the warmth and depth to be one.
The Art of the Squeal
I mean, he’s already given him countless blowjobs, so yeah.
I’ll take things that will never happen for $200, Alex!
God I wish I saw and end in sight, though.
“you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people”
Jfc this guy somehow made it? How about, “we can never replace the countless lives lost in this war, or repair the families that have been broken”
Idk. Is it great? Nah, but I can type a thing in like 20 seconds and this orange potato just fuckin speaks like a middle school student. How the fuck
sure give to him one piece of lead at a time. high speed
