As long as every farmer has to work in the city for a year.
No, the farmers design bridges and dams.
The engineers work in hospitals.
The doctors we shoot for being nerds.
Perfect society.
Edit: we also kill all the sparrows for some reason.
Please don’t make me work in a hospital they get mad when you take patients apart
I’m pretty sure many of those farmers, especially the young ones would not return to the farm. Farmers are stuck in the fantasy that they don’t need the cities. They don’t need any products beyond what they need to ride in the their GPS controlled air conditioned tractor as it plows perfectly straight rows. None of which is built on the farm.
Healthcare: ❎ No, that’s communism!
Mandatory Labor: ✅ "Yes, that’s patriotism!
🙄
Spin universal healthcare as “Those damn overpayed doctors should be forced to support their nation!” and BOOM, patriotism.
Socialism/communism = “someone got something that I don’t think they deserved.”
They’re just bad words to people. I think a lot of the “normal people” on the right are just people who are too stupid to understand politics, so it works like their football team. You don’t need to know anything about the Dallas Cowboys or Patriots to hate them. Democrats are bad because they are the other team. We don’t need to know what “woke” means - it’s just a word that describes people on the bad team.
If you manage to avoid the trigger words, and they haven’t been propagandized on whatever specific topic, it’s really easy to convince them to agree with a lot of left leaning ideas.
Then free food suplimentation for life? Maybe… ask me when I’m not high and hungry.
Wait, I’ve seen this one before. Didn’t they already try forced farm labor? I think there may have been a war with this issue as a driving force in the conflict.
Tabasco specifically?
Will they get to keep the produce? Otherwise, this is just slavery and very much in line with conservative ideology again.
Where does it say you don’t get paid?
Also, in terms of understanding how things happen, this is definitely not a bad thing.
So many people take everything for granted. I worked a couple of years in agriculture. Long days, tough work. I will never look down on a farmer, and it thought me some neat lessons in life too.
You get paid for jury duty. Making a living off of that? When i read national duty i heard conscription in my head. Maybe because i just assume the idea is as good as the compensation.
Oh maybe I don’t worry about this because I’m not American…
Sorry
Where does it say you do get paid?
Maybe in that one aspect, but I’d imagine the mandatory labor at likely very low wages will make most people resent it more than anything.
When watching the TV Series The Handmaid Tales I kept thinking that things like their very heavy security appartus, military for the continuing seccession war and heavy use of dedicated manpower doing manual work in house chores (at least for the upper classes) would use too much manpower, taking it away from actual productive activities and thus making a modern nation level of life (in the material sense, not other senses) unsustainable, though Gilead could sorta keep going for a while drawing down on the wealth of the part of the US from were it was formed, before falling down to mid-XX century South American levels of wealth or worse.
However temporary slavery like this “national duty field work” might actually “solve” some of the agricultural production manpower shortage problems in such a society.
So it actually makes sense (in a sick way) that it’s appealing to the most extreme Fascist amongst the Republicans.
We could call it “The Large Jump Ahead” or something.
Wait till they scapegoat sparrows
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Here’s a reference for those who don’t recognize this.
So there was a reduction of family-operators farming between 1950 and 1990; by 74%. Of course, the number of hired workers has risen. On the surface that makes sense. I would imagine that farms hire illegal immigrants so that they can pay them less than the minimum visa-required pay (which is slightly more than minimum wage); probably also do not provide much in the way of benefits or vacation either. That’s my hunch.
But if i were a young man, and i went through college, and was struggling finding a career in my field and facing the student debt i no-doubt accrued during college, i sure as shit wouldn’t want to spend any amount of time doing indentured servitude. If i did, I’d voluntarily join the Peace Corps or something.
This is insane.
Would you feel differently if people who choose to serve have student debt forgiveness? Like, if the GI Bill covered participants?
I have no issue with people choosing to do anything, regardless of the incentives. What i do have a problem with is the idea of mandatory service that people have no good choice over.
Fair. I get that. I do think it could be something great, but agree it would be better structured as voluntary with heavy incentives for participating.
That said, to your original point, I doubt the intent was to have mandatory service for recent college graduates. Most systems like this require service immediately after high school. So you wouldn’t have a bunch of debt or anything at that point.
Rich people will be exempt, of course.
I can almost hear the bone spurs growing…
People in University or with University Education will “of course” be exempted from this duty which, by an amazing coincidence will exempt the scions of the rich and upper middle class.
It’s a similar technique as what’s used in not just the US but also countries like the UK to make sure the children of “upper” classes don’t have to endure certain hardships and have enhanced future opportunities even in accessing Upper Education: it’s not at all *cough* *cough* because they’re the children of wealthy parents, it’s purelly because they frequent (expensive) private schools and the children of the poor and working class too when they frequent such schools have access to those things (the “small” detail that the poor and working class cannot actually afford it, remains unsaid).
Whenever a Neoliberal talks about how meritocratic their system is, remember that they defend privatised education, something which as I explained above just means a two tier system were those who can afford it purchase for their children easy access past certain gatekeepers of future opportunities such as access to certain Universities whilst the rest are in a different track - the state school system - with far lower chances, all of which is the very opposite of a merit-based system.
Cases of bone spurs are skyrocketing
Poor “volunteers” will do the backbreaking manual labor. Rich volunteers will drive the heavy machinery in air conditioned cabins.
You’ll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Til you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake
Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
Saw Jello do a spoken word performance during the 2nd Gulf War.and he asked "Who would trust a country run by a Bush, a Dick and a Colon?
Yeah, not doing volunteer farm work to give private people and corporations free work and profit.
If there were some state-owned ones that the food was used to feed public school kids or others on government programs, maybe.
But no way for someone else’s profit.
Who said it’s volunteer work? They’d better be paying me
They certainly didn’t say it was paid work.
Your pay has arrived:
You work all day and what do you get?
Oh, sweetie, that is precious. You are and have been your entire life.
Here is a complete list of farm subsidies you are paying for. The totals are mind bogglingly huge.
I actually think this is brilliant. Most Americans have no knowledge or personal connection as to where their food comes from and what goes into producing it. The ag sector is also, sadly, rife with worker abuse, farmers commit suicide at way higher rates than the general population, and our food system is getting increasingly industrialized and specialized, with small farms getting gobbled up by megacorps. But because agriculture usually happens away from population centers (sometimes far away) there’s not a lot of public awareness (or sympathy) of issues. Meanwhile soil depletion and unsustainable practices are setting the US up for all kinds of potential future disasters (second dust bowl, anyone?), and that’s before you factor in climate change.
So yes, let’s have all Americans get even a few months of experience with our food system!
It was tried back in the 60’s. It failed.
Wow, never heard of this, thank you
I’m 47.
Get back on the farm, slaves. Danny needs his guava juice.
Every* American Citizen
*Except my kids, obviously.
