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I’m not convinced people are actually moving to Red Note. I think this is another Threads situation.
I think this is another Threads situation.
How so?
Not the guy you replied to, but there were a lot of new threads users when it kicked off. Most of them might have been curious, but in terms of active discussion is was not reflective of the number of claimed “active users”, and many seem to have abandoned it, even if their account is still technically there.
well in this case tiktokers don’t have a choice as the app will cease to function, unlike X where they still can use the platform and many of these users are too scared to lose their followers and start over.
Just like the “men would do anything but go to therapy” meme, Americans would rather install malware on their phones than get out to vote.
What’s this supposed to mean? You’re tripping on several fronts.
Not only am I a person of color and I also heavily criticize Meta/Amazon/Google and their egregious apps, but news just came out a couple of days ago that the Chinese government sponsored literal malware and attacked civil rights activists with it from inside the US. Yes, it’s obviously different than social media, but what do you think they’re doing with unlimited access to a popular app that everybody and their grandma has on their phones collecting all that data about people’s viewing habits and manipulating feeds?
And yes, I’m aware it’s technically spyware but my comment was hyperbole saying Americans would knowingly install malware if they could. They’re one step away from it pretending it’s activism.
but what do you think they’re doing with unlimited access to a popular app that everybody and their grandma has on their phones collecting all that data about people’s viewing habits and manipulating feeds?
Never seen a double down while pretending to sidestep quite like that
I don’t get it.
Scary words get used to describe normal things when colored skinned people do it.
ok, but are the Chinese colored skin?
that’s what I’m confused about.
Fortunately, that’s not what I’m saying, especially as a POC. But thanks for explaining anyway!
As a black man, let me tell you about the evil Chinese…
What an outdated stereotype
What, saying that Americans don’t vote? They don’t, just look at the polls. Among those were family members I tried to convince to get out and vote because they’d actively refuse. One even threatened me over it, like wtf. lol
You talk as if your vote means shit.
That kind of talk is why Trump won.
In swing states, yes. But for the majority of americans not in a swing state, their gripes are at least somewhat valid thanks to gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering has been a huge problem for a while, what makes you think this time it played a pivotal role in Trump’s victory? If that was the case, he would have won the electoral vote but not the popular vote, but he won the popular vote, first Rep pres to do so in 20 years apparently. It helped secure past Rep presidencies, but doesn’t to have done so this time around.
Gerrymandering only impacts the House of Representatives and no impact on the president or any other government positions.
Jerrymandering doesn’t play any role in who gets elected president, just the house of reps.
Democrats is why Trump won.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Except it’s genocide
If it wasn’t for Hillary’s pied Piper strategy, Trump never would have been elevated with billions of dollars in free media to become president. If it wasn’t for Kamala Harris embracing right-wing politics and every policy of bidens that the public opposed, we wouldn’t have Trump right now. Democrats are toxic poison and are their own worst enemy
Riiiiight. It’s always something other than what the numbers show.
If voting didn’t do anything then they wouldn’t be trying so hard to suppress it.
To give you the illusion that your vote matters. When one billionaire has more political influence than millions of citizens, your vote doesn’t mean shit
Two things can be true at once: Voting matters, and also billionaires have extremely outsized political influence. You know what part of that outsized political influence tries to do? Make people think voting doesn’t matter and also pass laws to make it harder to vote. Why do you think Republicans were in such a rush to make it illegal to give out water bottles to voters in Georgia after they went blue in 2020? You’re legitimately demented if you think all that is just a ruse to make you think voting is important.
There are problems with voting in America, and political corruption is rampant, and Congress is literally for sale, but voting is still how you choose which players are in the game. Using systemic flaws as an excuse to do nothing is a psyop tier opinion.
Next time ask them why they don’t personally run for office. Walk them through how only the capitalist class can actually afford to do so. The only people that can run are either members of the capitalist class or people who promise to serve the interests of the capitalist class. You can only vote for a candidate that doesn’t prioritize your interests above those of that capitalist class.
Maybe they’ll get it. Someday.
I do vote and got two of my first choices elected each time. If I didn’t, their chances would decrease. What do you even mean voting means shit? My country does not have a college of representatives so my vote counts exactly as one vote.
>never votes because he doesn’t think his vote matters
>awful politician gets elected because he didn’t vote
See guys? Voting doesn’t work!
That’s why we have trump.
We have Trump because of Democrats, specifically Hillary Clinton and her pied Piper strategy.
So, it had nothing at all to do with the three million people single issue third party voting and the almost ninety million people not voting at all?
See, you are offering an opinion on why. I’m offering facts on why. Big difference.
Either you all have to admit that your single issue protest vote was VERY effective in sending a message that you won’t support someone that you don’t like- thus, helping trump get elected, or….
You have to admit that your protest vote failed miserably, and your message fell flat without ever being noticed and your third party vote was wasted- thus not helping to pad the numbers of the only person that could have kept him from being elected.
Which will it be?
Because we all heard all of the threats from the third party protest voters prior to the election. You all were going to send a clear message… so tell me- do you believe it was it heard, or not?
I didn’t cast a protest vote. A protest vote is one that is cast against something kind of like Democrats voting against Trump. The outcome that we got is 100% the result of Democrats thinking that they are any different than Republicans your party answers to the same bankers. The same CEOs the same donor class that the Republicans do for the same and means
Currently, a 3rd party vote IS a protest vote. Because it is a vote against the only person that could have stopped trump.
ALL third party voters knew they were voting for someone that has a barely above zero chance to win…
So it was a protest- a throwaway vote. Regardless of how you want to sell it, no matter how loudly you scream from the hills.
The throwaway vote is the ones that were blindly cast for right wing Republicans that called themselves liberal
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You can’t stop teens, they determine what is cool and will try everything to be cool. Ask the Soviet Union how trying to keep teens from buying Levi’s Jeans worked out for them.
My gf is Chinese and her feed is littered with Americans trying to look cool, and speaking zero Mandarin. The other one constantly occurring are Americans saying “so what Chinese are getting my data? You know what’s called sharing? It’s called Kindness❤️🙏” i almost spit my coffee, but I was in bed and I had dry mouth
It’s so wierd to see those people to go out of their way, to another soulless corporation, for no benefit.
Irony is an ouroboros
This rivalry with China is so dumb.
shoots self in foot, again
That’ll show em!
Honestly, The government isn’t protecting our data anyways so it really doesn’t matter. Amazon has had yet another massive breach but no worries the government is sitting idly by. Not a single action will be taken even though this happens all the time. No penalty means no reason to change.
The language in the law has nothing to do with data. It’s about foreign nations controlling media narratives.
A Dennis rage tantrum really sums up their user reaction perfectly.
And it’s understandable. 170 million US citizens are on TikTok. More than 1% has a significant business enterprise that has flourished in that app (not so on the other apps).
The US government, beyond just violating* the free speech of half the population, would be shooting itself in the face by banning the app, considering how much lost tax revenue is likely to occur.
They don’t care about that. Controlling the narrative > tax revenue to them by far.
“Why are all these women so angry about not being able to vote?”
the irony in this meme is the psychopath is playing the TikTok users upset about TikTok ceasing US operations.
The government says it’s for our own good and we should trust them.
Except we don’t trust them and don’t care about our own good.
To be fair they also don’t are about our own good, they just want us to install some good ol home grown American spyware.
They literally don’t care about the data. The entire law is to prevent foreign nations from controlling media narratives. If China wants Americas data all they have to do is buy it.
I wasn’t going to before, but now that you’ve told me not to I’m definitely going to do a bunch of opiates.
It’s the American Way 🇺🇸 🦅
Who says we don’t care about our own good? Other than the government.
They really have cut off their nose to spite their face imo. Only way this makes sense to me is that the users want a noble justification for their ignoble habit.
“The data would’ve ended up in China anyway since American apps would’ve sold it.” -Rationalizations of a feed addict fiending
Would Rednote or whatever it’s called also be covered by the same ban?
no. the ban is not against chinese apps, its against tiktok specifically.
Not quite. As far as I can tell the US can now play whack-a-mole with any app owned or controlled by a “foreign adversary”, thanks to this precedent. The decision as to which nations are considered a “Foreign Adversary” is made by the U.S. Secretary Of Commerce.
I am not a lawyer or lawmaker, so someone please correct me if I’m wrong. Here’s the full text of the legislation (emphases mine):
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
For the purposes of this division, a foreign adversary country includes North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran.
A qualified divestiture is a transaction that the President has determined (through an interagency process)
- would result in the relevant foreign adversary controlled application no longer being controlled by a foreign adversary, and
- precludes the establishment or maintenance of any operational relationship between the U.S. operations of the relevant application and any formerly affiliated entities that are controlled by a foreign adversary (including any cooperation with respect to the operation of a content recommendation algorithm or a data-sharing agreement).
The prohibition applies 270 days after the date of the division’s enactment. The division authorizes the President to grant a one-time extension of up to 90 days to a covered application when the President has certified to Congress that (1) a path to executing a qualified divestiture of the covered application has been identified, (2) evidence of significant progress toward executing such qualified divestiture of the covered application has been produced, and (3) relevant legal agreements to enable execution of such qualified divestiture during the period of such extension are in place.
Additionally, the division requires a covered foreign adversary controlled application to provide a user with all available account data (including posts, photos, and videos) at the user’s request before the prohibition takes effect. The account data must be provided in a machine-readable format.
The division authorizes the Department of Justice to investigate violations and enforce its provisions. Entities that that violate the division are subject to civil penalties for violations. An entity that violates the prohibition on distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a covered application is subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who have accessed, maintained, or updated the application as a result of the violation. An entity that violates the requirement to provide account data to a user upon request is subject to a maximum penalty of $500 multiplied by the number of U.S. users impacted by the violation.
(Sec. 3) The division gives the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to the division. A challenge to the division must be brought within 165 days after the division’s enactment date. A challenge to any action, finding, or determination under the division must be brought with 90 days of the action, finding, or determination.
DIVISION I–PROTECTING AMERICANS’ DATA FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES ACT OF 2024
Protecting Americans’ Data from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act of 2024
This division makes it unlawful for a data broker to sell, license, rent, trade, transfer, release, disclose, or otherwise make available specified personally identifiable sensitive data of individuals who reside in the United States to North Korea, China, Russia, or Iran or an entity controlled by such a country (e.g., headquartered in or owned by a person in the country).
Sensitive data includes government-issued identifiers (e.g., Social Security numbers), financial account numbers, biometric information, genetic information, precise geolocation information, and private communications (e.g., texts or emails).
A data broker generally includes an entity that sells or otherwise provides data of individuals that the entity did not collect directly from the individuals. A data broker does not include an entity that transmits an individual’s data or communications at the request or direction of the individual or an entity that makes news or information available to the general public.
The division provides for enforcement by the Federal Trade Commission.
Rednote doesn’t have US servers though
I’m not sure whether or not that will matter. Again, not a lawyer or lawmaker, myself, but this bit makes me wonder:
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok).
And further down…
An entity that violates the prohibition on distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a covered application is subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who have accessed, maintained, or updated the application as a result of the violation.
It sounds as though your ISP would technically be “distributing” the info to you from the foreign server, and thus subject to these fines? Not sure how that all fits in with the rest of it, or with the erosion of net neutrality.
isn’t it unconstitutional to target specific entities with laws?
Yup. And the law as passed literally has TikTok written in it. It is 100% unconstitutional.
It’s also a conflict with previous jurisprudence on corporate first amendment rights. Namely that they have them. If Hobby Lobby can have a religion then TikTok can have political speech. Anything less is hypocrisy.
Yes, but the courts used some bullshit reasoning to uphold it anyway. They said it didn’t constitute a punishment because the law required a sale rather than a confiscation, and because the company could theoretically re-enter the market with a different app (lol).
I suppose it’s similar to eminent domain where the government can force you to sell your house if it’s in the way of something like a rail line, but it’s not considered a punishment since you’re compensated for it (at whatever price they decide is fair). Basically, the government is allowed to fuck with you quite a bit so long as they can provide a justification for why they’re doing it that isn’t personal.
thank you; that was very informative. I tried to look it up but every article seemed to approach it from the first amendment angle and I didn’t find anything about equal protection.
The phrase you’re looking for for a law that targets a specific entity is “Bill of Attainder.”
This was my source for the info, that includes the text of the court ruling.
awesome, thanks!
Idk if the Constitution enters into it when the company in question is not American.
it’s called the law of the land, not the law of the people. if laws don’t cover non-american entities then they can’t commit crimes.
Laws do cover non-american entities, but non-american entities are not afforded the same protections as citizens / corporations, it would appear.
I don’t trust China at all, ban all their social media app in the same way they ban ours. I would like the US to be more like the EU in terms of privacy, but China not only doesn’t care, they actively try to use that data to screw over people.
Would have been easier to say that ‘I know nothing about China.’
Username checks out.
Would have been easier for you to see you love winnie the pooh.
