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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a “blank check” in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu’s aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to “capitulate” to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

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    Congratulations, idealists. You definitely stopped the genocide by refusing to vote for Harris and urging others to do likewise. A+ job.

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      Oh he’ll help end the genocide alright. You can’t genocide a people that’s already wiped off the planet.

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      I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump’s odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

      On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He’s venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

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      “They” weren’t persons holding “real” opinions, I’m afraid. Just as the russians calling for “russophobia” 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

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      I’m expecting mega stupid bullshit like Trump lifting sanctions in exchange for Russia standing down so Trump can send American planes over and show the world we have the biggest and best bombs, while his megadonors line up for Russian contracts and celebrate

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      Yep the Dems are accountable for nothing, but peaple who refused to vote for genociders are accountable for Trump’s action sure. Keep blindly following your party.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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        Maybe there’s plenty of accountability to go around and you deserve some too.

        Also, please tell me which party is my party. I would like to know which political party I am registered with, please. With evidence, of course. Unless you’re trolling a moderator.

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          I am accountable for what ? For what the new president might do (when i clearly didn’t vote for him). You re litteraly criticising peaple for not voting Harris, stop the Whataboutisme. “Unless you’re trolling a moderator” LOL

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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            You re litteraly criticising peaple for not voting Harris

            Exactly.

            Now you have one more chance to tell me what political party I am registered with and I expect evidence. Trolling is not allowed here.

            The alternative is to admit you don’t actually know and just assumed I was a member of the Democratic party. Then you were just being uncivil, but I will let that go.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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        What are you even talking about? Harris is the Vice President. Exactly what do you think her job responsibilities and powers are?

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          She said she would not have changed a single decision that was made during the Biden administration. Biden said that she was in 100% agreement with every decision made. Which means she agreed to the current conditions

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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            I really hope you find solace in the idea that Harris and Trump would be equally bad for the world as Trump throws America into the garbage and tries to take the planet with it.

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              Do you have any idea how much CO2 biden’s proxy wars have dumped into the atmosphere? How many chip manufacturers were given environmental exemptions for chip manufacturing? The actions from Democrats mirror the actions from Republicans. The only difference is that Republicans say all of those things out loud

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                Again, I hope you find solace in the idea that Trump and Harris are exactly the same when things get really awful. I’m sure you’ll feel much better about yourself not voting for her.

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                  I find solace in not allowing the continued rightward march of Democrats. Liberals are 100% to blame for our current conditions for never holding their own people accountable. At their current pace the DNC will be on par with people like McConnell in a few years.

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            Dude, you really need to just move on from Biden and Kamala. They lost and aren’t going to be in office much longer. Trump is the threat.

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              And once he takes office, he will get the same type of scrutiny from me that Biden and Harris has. until January 20th the focus is on Biden and Harris.

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        Tell us you don’t know what a VP does without telling us you don’t know what a VP does.

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              Why did you bring up the genocide if you do not believe the American president has any responsibility for it? Biden has funded 70% of the cost of the genocide.

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                Gosh I don’t know, maybe because a huge number of people decided to allow in a rapist fascist dictator who is going to conduct his own two genocides domestically, thinking their protest vote or their protest abstention would totally teach the Democrats a lesson regarding Israel?

                Have you spent the week in a cave?

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    Trump voters: “Trump is the most peaceful president ever. We need to bring the defence spending to Ukraine home. America first”.

    Trump is elected and inevitably drags the US into yet another war in in the Middle East

    Trump voters: Pikachu face

    Nah. Just kidding about that last part. It was all just empty rhetoric to justify the grift and looting all the way down as the country burns to the ground in the background.

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      Don’t forget that if we pull funding from Ukraine, the proxy war with Russia will potentially morph into the most peaceful war between Russia and our allies.

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      Trump is very isolationist. I’d be quite surprised if he committed to any conflict directly. Funding Israel to fight for him however…

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        I find it odd when someone says Trump is this or Trump is that as if he’s consistent on anything. His absurd narcissism is the only consistent thing about him. You can bet your ass he would drag us into a war if it would stroke his ego in some way.

        That is what makes him so uniquely dangerous. He has no ideology to speak of. His focus shifts back and forth so often that trying to predict exactly what he’s going to do is impossible. You can say with certainty that he won’t be motivated by any sort of desire for the public good but that’s about as specific as you can get until he starts doing something.

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          Seriously, it’s amazing that more people don’t understand that Trump does only what Trump thinks will benefit Trump, even if it’s just benefiting the ego.

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          You criticize my statement about what Trump is for being too absolute and then make your own.

          He had 4 years in office and didn’t deploy troops anywhere. The evidence supports my hypothesis so far.

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      Nothing yet happened but you’re already crying like it did.

      Believe it or not, he’ll probably cut subsidies to Israel, get a peace deal in Ukraine (yeah, by giving his buddy Putin parts of the country), and he surely won’t start any war with iran.

      And all you’ll be able to do is continue fuming on the internet while being factually wrong. And in the end it won’t be a surprise to really anyone but you that your party will lose electrons over and over.

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      Didn’t you know trump will stop the genocide…by writing a check so large that Israel completely removes Palestinians from the map… can’t have a genocide of Palestinians if there are no more Palestinians.

      Check mate libruls

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      I mean, Trump will definitly ensure that the suffering of Palestenian people ends quickly

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        So will ‘The Left’s’ idiocy and gullibility which helped get us here.

        Everybody remembers Nader from 2000, we will never forget the left this time around.

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    May the people in this sub who screeched Genocide Joe and threatened Kamala over her continued support for Israel get the policies they voted for.

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      We told you it was a losing issue. You called us Russian bots and tankies and trumpists because that was easier than listening to something you didn’t want to hear.

      I voted for Harris. But that doesn’t mean I’m blind to the suicidal boneheadedness of the pro-genocide centrist wing of the Democratic Party. We tried to warn you. You thought you knew better. In your overwhelming and unearned arrogance, you concluded that anyone that was willing to read the writing on the wall couldn’t possibly be an actual person with agency.

      Now go hug Dick Cheney. He’s the only vote any of you cared about.

      If the anti-genocide left were too insignificant to treat like humans, they’re too insignificant to blame. Centrists ran the campaign they wanted. Their instincts were and remain shit.

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    crazy to think that trump might do exactly what he said he was going to do. how could we, the voters, have predicted this?

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    At some point some people were even saying Harris is worse than the same. For your sanity, I only hope you don’t have family in the Middle East.

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      Rashida Tlaib’s district is a prime example of this, she kept her seat by a wide margin while Dems lost the state. They decided to ignore their voter base and suffered the consequences.

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    I believe Putin’s power over Trump will prevent anyone doing anything extreme about Iran. Russia has always had an interest in controlling Iran and certainly would not approve the US taking it out.

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        When he got re-elected after all the shit he did I knew it was not gonna end well. When Trump backed him hard during his presidency I knew it was gonna be bad. The left voters stepping aside to allow what’s coming is just insane

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            I mean, I’m all for doing both:

            We should get ready for resistance, WHILE, kicking the fuck out of all the fake idiot ‘lefties’ who helped this happen.

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        I would bet my left nut that Bibi has ALL the Kompromat on Trump that Pootin has, along with a metric shit ton of his own.

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    He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to “capitulate” to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

    Don’t they even know who they picked to represent them?

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    We didn’t get the Bell Riots but maybe we’ll get a WWIII.

    Still have my fingers crossed for Irish Reunification this year.

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    “ex official said: this might happen and that might mean” how is this relevant news?

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    No no guys, Harris was the one that supports the Palestinian genocide, not Trump!

    Fucking idiot tankies.

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    I mean… there can’t be an ongoing genocide if they are all dead taps temple

    (God I hate this planet now…)

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    So the same thing as Biden?

    The war with Iran is already on the doorstep of happening under Bidens unconditional aid.

    Such a shame Kamala did not get elected. Who also promised unconditional aid and advocated for starting a war with Iran.

    Posts like this would have a lot more impact if the Democrats were different.

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      Do agree, these people seems to ignore the news or at least now aware of what is happening.

      If Biden didn’t want a war with Iran they would have stopped the genocide in Gaza, pushed for an actual deal, remember the one that Hamas agreed to and then Israel backtracked. He could have stopped the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Syria, or the attack on Lebanon.

      Iran telling the whole world about there drone attack and then Israel goes to attack Iran again, followed directly with USA and UK telling Iran to stop it aggression??

      Iran have population of 90 million people, Israel has 7 maybe, pretending Iran cannot take Israel is just stupid.