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What I’m saying is not about faithless electors. I never mentioned them, so I’m not completely sure what took you down that road.

There is a legal definition of the term “president-elect” that hasn’t entirely been sorted out. The most widely accepted view is that the candidate who has the majority of EC votes cast for them, regardless of whether those votes have been counted or certified, is legally the president-elect. The nuance to this is that any reference to the president-elect before EC votes have been cast is using the common term, not the legal one.

The distinction is mostly inconsequential, one major exception being the 20th amendment, which you cited previously. That particular usage is specifically the legal definition, which very likely has not been satisfied until the EC casts their votes. The outcome is that, if those who are meant to uphold the law have any interest in doing so, the 20th amendment does not yet apply, and the legal roles of president-elect and vice president-elect are currently vacant.

Citation needed.

We (probably) don’t have a president-elect yet, only a presumptive one. The EC votes have been neither cast nor counted. The most likely point in time at which a candidate becomes president-elect is when the majority of the EC votes have been cast for that candidate, regardless of the counting and certification. Even though we use the term loosely for the assumed winner, the EC adds a layer of weirdness to the legal definition.

Yeah, I also can’t stand it when words are used to convey meanings they’ve had for roughly five hundred years.

Etymology of "ouster’

That isn’t where “tip” comes from.

And you don’t have to subsidize them. Just don’t give those restaurants your patronage. The owners are the problem, right? Don’t support them!

Piss is not sterile.

If they’re losing so many electrons, they must be pretty positive by now.

“We’ve been actively trying to tear you down, it’s not our fault.”

You sure about that?

Uh huh, there I go again? This suddenly shifted from a reasonable conversation to bad faith rhetoric. This is collectively the fault of everyone who made piss poor, ineffectual efforts to stop it as a unified bloc. That encompasses a lot of folks. But as long as you have the specter of “they did it, not me” then I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.

I’m as guilty of that by saying that aligning with the larger contingent was the best way through, I suppose. But failing to even make a reasonable effort was beyond the pale. I didn’t want the outcome we got, but far too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster.

Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got? Because, for me, it was the most unfavorable situation. Working backward from that, it seemed self-evident that the clear path to avoiding it was to throw in with the only other viable option.

Anything else, any more complex assessment of the choice that was given to us, invited in division. The fascist platform was “fuck you” and everyone to the left of that was more concerned with the etymology of the phrase or the moral implications of flipping someone off than firing back with “no, fuck YOU” and sorting out the details once we found out whether or not there were enough of us who didn’t want to be fucked.

The feeling is mutual.

Equally a shame that so many to the left of the Dems felt that their faces could use a little spiting and went straight to work on their noses.

Regardless of what wagon we arrived in, we’re all here now. And we’re quite short on options that will improve our circumstances.

You forgot the quotes. “Power.” She’ll be a progressive member of the minority party under a fascist regime who has already signaled a complete lack of care for its political adversaries.

I’d argue that the two women are not far removed from one enother in the amount of power they will wield.

I’ve heard that progressive policies are quite popular and get people to the polls.

There were two candidates who could win. I didn’t like either of them. That doesn’t mean one wasn’t closer to what I’d like to see for this country.

Now we have what we have.

Road map for me how she will be of any positive effect once the new administration takes power.