• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    “Bruh, we’re trying to get this project done on time and under budget, talking about space magic isn’t going to-”

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      “Tons”

      The galactic empire (and the republic before it) spanned billions of inhabited star systems. If each world was billions or trillions of inhabitants that means the galactic population is 1018 or more people. There were only ~10,000 Jedi at their peak. The chances of any galactic citizen seeing a Jedi, unless they lived on Coruscant near the temple, are vanishingly small. They were mythical beings to almost everyone.

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        If you want to play that way, technically using a 2000lb ton, you’d only need 20-30 Jedi for there to be “Tons”

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        I’m going off what was in the movies and other than Coruscant there’s nothing to suggest there’s that many individuals. There are a lot of representatives in the senate but that doesn’t say much about how populated the planets are.

        And, the Jedi had an actual HQ on the home planet of the republic, didn’t they?

        EDIT: And as another counter-example, there’s not that many Secret Service agents but most people in Earth probably know they exist.

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        I am not familiar with star wars canon lore, but I am very familiar with astronomical data and I have a well-enough grasp of logistics. So I strongly doubt that any civilization would be able to administrate more than a few tens of thousands of star systems, no matter how efficient they are.

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          The Senate chamber only holds like 2000 senators. So probably that many planets.

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        billions of inhabited star systems.

        Suddenly that massive Galactic Senate Chamber seems cartoonishly tiny. Was the galactic Republic just a dictatorial empire to the high hundreds of millions of worlds/systems that didn’t have a senate pod from which to be heard/represented?

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          I wonder if you could improve that system by creating localised star sector governments, and divesting the currently centralized power to them?

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      The Jedi by that point were as accessible as the heads of the Catholic Church. To most poor people throughout the galaxy, the Jedi didn’t give a shit about you or your suffering, notice how they didn’t do shit about slavery in the galaxy? To most people the Jedi were nothing but self righteous religious do nothings that live in a big palace

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          George was good at story, not so good at worldbuilding, and he was only kind of good at stories by following the hero of a thousand faces archetype

  • MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world
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    When I saw this scene as a kid, I thought Motti coughed up the yellow button on the console. I didn’t know what it was at the time and thought Vader somehow put some yellow choking pill inside him. It was very disturbing to me. This was before I knew what a Force choke was.

    yellow button

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    Imagine you were to do this shit after someone talking about how Jesus will strike sinners down, then suddenly a buff Jesus appears and chokes you out a little bit. Thats what this guy went through.

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    I don’t think he wasn’t believing in the force, he knew Jedi were real, he just wasn’t buying the mysticism surrounding it and didn’t think it’s such a big deal. He knew Vader is a powerful force user, but the Death Star is literally one shotting entire planets, so the force didn’t feel that significant to him in the grand scheme of things.

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      He said he didn’t know about the force before he even knew the Death Star existed.

      I think it’s very silly to think there is a galactic civilization but the people in that civilization don’t know, even though there’s absolutely no secret about it, that magic exists.

      Is Han really that ignorant of what’s going on around him? I doubt he’d be that effective a smuggler if he didn’t pay attention to news and politics.

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        How many Jedi are there during their peak? I think it’s around ten thousand jedi. Compared to the galaxy population of 100 quadrillion sentient beings spread across the galaxy, I’m not too surprised a lot of people thought they’re a myth.

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          Okay, but we’re not talking about a bunch of inconsequential people. This is an ancient order of magicians who has a lot of control over their government. And then one of the magicians becomes the emperor of the galaxy with his magic power. And all of that when Han Solo was alive. Young, but alive.

          It’s like saying a knowledgeable guy like Han Solo in our world wouldn’t know about Reagan getting shot. He was born in the 70s, he took history classes, he read up stuff on his own, he heard older people talk about it… but he didn’t know it happened.

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    And he (Admiral Motti) got the first name of Conan by George Lucas while on the Conan O’Brien show!

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    I’m sure he was celebrated for his strength. His body wasn’t just tossed out with the rest of the garbage. Not at all.

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    People are complaining about Motti not knowing Jedi were real. But how many times did we see things written down, much less recorded video/holograms?

    In this essay on how recorded media was made illegal by the Empire to clamp down on shared knowledge and control the public, I will prove without a doubt…

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      He would have been in the military during the Clone Wars. They served as Generals in the Republic armies. If he had not witnessed the exploits of the Jedi first hand, he most likely would have seen and heard the reports.

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    He was correct too in a way. It wasn’t The Force that was keeping the Galaxy in line, it was economic and logistical power. If anything, it was the Sith’s constant need for conflict and backstabbing seeping into the officer corps that hampered The Empire, and the Tarkin Doctrine is what happens when you base your military strategy on the whims and wishes of an autocratic religious fanatic.

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    Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV

    And you think you’re so clever and classless and free

    But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see