• Carvex@lemmy.world
      151·
      3 months ago

      Trump visited a Trump property 428 out of 1461 days of his term, and he played 261 rounds of golf, about 1/5 of days of his term. Almost $150 million charged to American taxpayers, for him to travel there with full security, play an 90-stroke game, kick his ball, called it 65 strokes to his friends, make dirty deals without oversight, travel back with security, eat a cheeseburger and angry tweet from the toilet. Every 5 days. Laziest president we’ve ever had.

  • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    334·
    3 months ago

    Oh you sweet, summer child. After the election ends, we’re going to have at least a month of coordinated all-out fighting from the fascists to stop the votes from being certified – if Georgia’s and Arizona’s popular vote results get accurately reflected in the final EC tally it’ll be a minor miracle – and years of “stop the steal” election denial and stochastic terrorism after that.

    And that’s the best-case scenario.

    • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
      62·
      3 months ago

      Precisely. The real ugliness and violence is currently only simmering. The election is when the boil begins. And the boilover comes after that.

      Remember: if Trump wins, there will be disorder, dispersed violence, and then state violence: mass deportations and the disruption and dissolution of various dimensions of the state itself as fascism assumes the helm.

      If Trump loses, there will be broad social conflict, disorder, and intensive violence, including a rise in domestic terrorism. I’m actually concerned we will see something like “The Troubles” in Ireland. Federal and state agencies and institutions will be attacked as well as infrastructure: things like power stations and bridges.

      There is no threading the needle here. Either scenario results in chaos and violence. Both scenarios result in an increase in danger and a decrease in stability. There’s no winning move. We’ll think back to this moment as “the good days.” Strap in.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        92·
        3 months ago

        To be clear, Trump losing (not just the vote, but also his inevitable attempt to seize power anyway afterward) is definitely the vastly preferable scenario here – “Troubles” are way better than a full-blown dictatorship – so stopping him is, if not “the” winning move, at least the do-or-die first step towards it.

        There is no validity to a dismissive “eh, either way it’s gonna be bad” attitude here. We are in an existential fight to achieve “pretty bad” because the alternative is “absolutely catastrophic.”

        • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
          51·
          2 months ago

          Recognizing that things are going to bad regardless of who is elected is simple pragmatism. There’s nothing dismissive about it at all. Quite the opposite.

          Harris winning the election (which, in terms of the electoral college, she’s currently on pace to narrowly lose), will not decrease the amount of active fascists in the United States, so, regardless of who wins, there’s going to be trouble and there’s going to be a lot of work to do that can’t be done with upvotes, downvotes, or social media posts.

          It would be wise for people to be prepared for what is to come. Ignoring it makes it worse.

          Edit: for instance, there is a man in the woods near I-75 by London, Kentucky picking random people off with a rifle right now. I’m afraid we’re going to see a lot more of that kind of stochastic terrorism, which will not simply go way if Harris wins. There are serious problems in America.

          • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            3 months ago

            There’s nothing dismissive about it at all. Quite the opposite.

            I mean, somebody downvoted your previous response. My best guess as to why is that your “either scenario… there are no winners” bit was perhaps poorly phrased and easy to misconstrue, so that’s what I addressed.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    161·
    3 months ago

    God, I can’t wait. Hopefully, at least a few months of peace before the midterms start going.

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    5·
    3 months ago

    I got a weird counter example for you, the “Where are the children” community that opposed family separation and indefinite holding times under the Trump Admin.

    Biden took office, executive ordered holding time limitations and reimplemented criminal only ICE focus. The community kept posting, much lower popularity obviously, because figuratively the war was over and we could all go home.

  • thesporkeffect@lemmy.world
    51·
    3 months ago

    This is aspirational. The election is going to get dragged out as long as possible and then longer and then there will be violence unless we win the lottery :(