Brother please learn how to crop
LOL, here I was trying to figure out the significance of the rest of it.
I gotchu
And get your life and priorities in order. Nobody needs a YouTube notification. Ever.
In Russia they just kill all the opposition leaders. It’s much cheaper that way.
The US kills opposition leaders everywhere else.
That’s where the US is heading.
Bröthœr there is dark mode for your eyes
What OP said is that the US is a capitalist oligarchy like Russia, which is correct. OP did not say or imply that the US is identical to Russia, or similar to Russia in any other way, or that Russia is better than the US. So there’s no need for all the b-b-but in this thread.
If you think USA is like Russia, you’re way off. USA is a flawed democracy. Very flawed, but still a democracy, since your votes matter. Russia is an informational autocracy. It’s ruled by a spin dictator who lies the country is a democracy whilst killing his real opponents and posing clowns as his real ones. Mind you, I am Russian.
Edit: Now that I’m looking at it again, US may be considered a capitalist oligarchy, I’m fine with that classification. I do, however, disagree about Russia being one, it’s informational autocracy (hence “way off” to begin with)
You can’t be Russian, you’re not on .ml! /s
USA is a flawed democracy.
Lol! You need to actually have democracy in order for it to be “flawed,” genius.
Go argue with the EIU about their metrics, lol.
Do you have any clue what living in an actually undemocratic country is like? That isn’t to say you should tolerate the bs your own politicians put you through, quite the opposite, actually. The mere fact you’re able to protest should not be taken for granted.
Do you have any clue what living in an actually undemocratic country is like?
Of course not. I grew up in a fascist state (Apartheid-South Africa) that was most definitely classified as “democratic” by the very same western “democracies” that are now also classifying Israel as “democratic.”
So no… what would I know about it?
The mere fact you’re able to protest should not be taken for granted.
They only allow you to protest until the protesting threatens the status quo. Then you’ll see all these (supposedly) “democratic” states act no differently than the ones without all the liberal pretensions.
They only allow you to…
My point stands.
Being able to protest without getting immediately jailed or murdered is a massive blessing that is unachievable in autocracies. I’ve seen what protests look in USA, France, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia. USA, France, Poland, and Germany are incomparably more lenient than Russia or Belarus. (Kazakhstan is somewhere in-between, it’s on the path of democratisation, like Ukraine was, but cannot be yet considered one).
I grew up in a fascist state that was most definitely classified as “democratic”…
I’d like you to check whether or not what you’re claiming is actually the case. Because even Israel, strictly speaking, isn’t classified as democracy. It’s a flawed democracy.
Besides. What do you consider “fascist”? Since this word often gets thrown around with no real meaning behind it.
Anyhow, I use what information I have. If you think you’re smarter than literal doctors of polytology, then go ahead and publish your own research. I’m not the one you should be complaining about set classifications to. That’s kind of pointless.
Besides, what’s your point to begin with? That USA is not a democracy? If so, then go ahead and read what I wrote again. My main complaint was about Russia being called an Olygarchy and thus compared to the USA, when it is far worse in reality.
My point stands.
Does it now? Germany, the UK, the US and France are all pushing through legislation that will enable less and less restrictions on the violence their kapos mete out to the non-collaborationist parts of the population… underneath all the liberal pretensions, the genocidal white supremacist fascism is shining through because it’s always been there.
are incomparably more lenient
You mean their repression is less overt because their respective status quos is, for now, more stable than Russia’s or Kazakhstan and not so easily threatened from below.
Because even Israel, strictly speaking, isn’t classified as democracy.
The countries that have been arming, funding and supporting Israel since 1948 (who also, purely coincidentally, all have deep histories of white supremacist and antisemitic represssion, exploitation and genocide) disagrees with you. After all, if you can call the mixture of 95% capitalism and 5% artificial democracy substitute that gets classified as “democracy” by the (so-called) west “democratic” it’s not a far stretch to extend that classification to any nation that acts “white” enough - you know, like Israel and Apartheid-South Africa.
Since this word often gets thrown around with no real meaning behind it.
And it also gets thrown around with a lot of meaning behind it - and I’m always curious about people who seem to grow insecure about it when I do.
thus compared to the USA, when it is far worse in reality.
Worse for whom?
Does it now?..
Yes. Your argument is about de-democratisation. I talk about democratic vs. authoritarian.
I argue it’s better to be democratic than not. You argue that countries become less democratic. Those are different topics.
You mean their…
Quite the opposite, actually. They’re more lenient because they’re less stable, as it’s not guaranteed you’ll stay in the office after everything’s over. Russia’s status quo from a political standpoint is the strongest it has ever been.
All political opposition has been eradicated. Everybody’s threatened to speak out because they now they’ll just get jailed. There can be no mass protests because the current incumbent is simply too strong to oppose.
The countries that have been…
That’s not me they’re disagreeing with. Again, that’s not my classification. All I argue is that “artificial democracies” are far worse. Russia is one, BTW. It likes to hold a facade of being a democracy, when in reality, it’s a hybrid regime (namely, informational autocracy).
And it also…
So, you decided to ignore my question and be a douche about it… I’ll take it as “I don’t like it, so it’s fascist” then.
Worse for whom?
Citizens, obviously. How is that even a question?
I argue it’s better to be democratic than not.
You’re arguing that a veneer of false democracy that exists purely to camouflage the exact same authoritarianism actually qualifies as democracy.
It doesn’t.
as it’s not guaranteed you’ll stay in the office after everything’s over.
Joe Biden leaving the White House doesn’t threaten the status quo in the US. You are confusing propaganda with the actual politics said propaganda is designed to obscure.
All I argue is that “artificial democracies” are far worse.
95% capitalism with 5% fake artificial democracy substitute (ie, so-called "liberal democracy) is about as artificial as “artificial democracy” gets.
This is what you don’t seem to understand. The so-called “democracy” that exists in the so-called “west” is stable because their electoral politics do not threaten the interests of the class of (thoroughly unelected) billionaire parasites who runs these societies. Regimes like Russia hasn’t attained this kind of stability yet - that is why the billionaire parasites that benefit from these regimes needs overt authoritarianism to protect their interests.
If the interests of this (again, thoroughly unelected) billionaire class is truly threatened in so-called “liberal democratic” states you will see them resort to the exact same type of authoritarianism. This is why ALL “liberal democracies” comes with built-in fascist institutions (such as the police and other paramilitary organisations) that can enable such authoritarian violence in the blink of an eye if necessary.
(Please don’t tell me you’re naive enough to believe that the police exists to protect YOU.)
In a truly democratic society, fascism couldn’t exist. Capitalism couldn’t exist.
The fact that they do should tell you something.
“I don’t like it, so it’s fascist”
I hate to be the one to break it to you… but Mussolini did not invent fascism. He merely gave it a name.
USA is a flawed democracy. Very flawed, but still a democracy, since your votes matter.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/gerrymandering-explained
- Gerrymandering is deeply undemocratic.
Rather than voters choosing their representatives, gerrymandering empowers politicians to choose their voters. This tends to occur especially when line drawing is left to legislatures and one political party controls the process, as has become increasingly common. When that happens, partisan concerns almost invariably take precedence over all else. That produces maps where electoral results are virtually guaranteed even in years where the party drawing maps has a bad year.
- Gerrymandering has a real impact on the balance of power in Congress and many state legislatures.
On the state level, gerrymandering has also led to significant partisan bias in maps. For example, in 2018, Democrats in Wisconsin won every statewide office and a majority of the statewide vote, but thanks to gerrymandering, won only 36 of the 99 seats in the state assembly.
- Gerrymandering affects all Americans, but its most significant costs are borne by communities of color.
Targeting the political power of communities of color is also often a key element of partisan gerrymandering. This is especially the case in the South, where white Democrats are a comparatively small part of the electorate and often live, problematically from the standpoint of a gerrymanderer, very close to white Republicans. Even with slicing and dicing, discriminating against white Democrats only moves the political dial so much. Because of residential segregation, it is much easier for map drawers to pack or crack communities of color to achieve maximum political advantage.
True that. Yet you still see either party win the elections. In Russia, however? 80% goes to Putin and United Russia. Every. Single. Time.
Even if the people you swap out are corrupt. It’s no comparison to how blatantly corrupt a person can be when he knows he’ll be in power on practically every election cycle.
Yet you still see either party win the elections. In Russia, however? 80% goes to Putin and United Russia. Every. Single. Time.
Russia uses the same tricks to constrain participatory democracy as Florida or Texas. Even when a Democrat can win at the local level, the gerrymandered legislature steps in to gut the local government of authority (as Abbott did when he seized HISD).
Yes, you get to do the thing we call voting. But no, you don’t get to participate in government.
It’s no comparison to how blatantly corrupt a person can be when he knows he’ll be in power on practically every election cycle
Tell Ken Paxton. Tell Rick Scott. Tell Tim Moore or Chris Kapenga. These are people in office who literally cannot lose, as the state election system operates.
If Republicans manage to move us to “EC votes by House seats” system, they’ll have effectively gerrymandered the Presidency. Then there’s no way for a Dem to ever win, shy of some absurd lopsided 70/30 election.
“Russia uses the same tricks to constrain participatory democracy as Florida or Texas.”
Now imagine Texas is the entirety of US, where
- in some very specific cities you get over 100% participation rate where everybody votes for incumbent whereas the rest of them have like 30-40% with expected vote distribution to boot.
- Oh, and “electronic voting” (via the internet) where the incumbent always gets 90% of the votes with no way to verify the results.
- None of the participants are actually independent, and the ones that were are now either jailed or killed.
- And you have no way to protest the results, because
- it’s against the law (despite the law contradicting constitution)
- the protest will get immediately shut down by the police
- every organizer will get jailed
And no, courts will not help. They will always side the government. No matter how ridiculous the accusations are.
That’s Russia.
Edit: Forgot to mention that out electoral system is more straightforward, so it doesn’t allow for gerrymandering. So it’s not even distribution manipulation it’s straight up the half of bulletins are fake.
Now imagine Texas is the entirety of US
Over half of Trump’s cabinet is from Florida
Forgot to mention that out electoral system is more straightforward, so it doesn’t allow for gerrymandering
That’s absolutely false
Over half of Trump’s cabinet is from Florida
That’s not the point
That’s absolutely false
Explain how.
Gerrymandering is manipulation of electoral results using differently drawn district maps. Russia doesn’t use districts to decide winners in each one. Instead, all of the votes are combined. Think of it as a one massive district. Whoever gets majority in that one district wins the elections. In this system votes are always proportionate to electorate, therefore gerrymandering cannot physically happen.
Instead, Russia’s incumbent uses other ways of electoral fraud. Main ones I have already listed.
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We were willing to overlook that as long as our elections worked and we could have a peaceful transfer of power.
One party wants to change that. If they’re effective, then we can say we’re like Russia.
Time to clutch those pearls, American Exceptionalists.
Yup.
Keep post complains on a oligarch social… till the problem get solved by someone else (maybe).
Yes, absolutely no difference between USA and Russia whatsoever. In fact, I’d move there if I were you. Literally the same thing. Might as well.
“A tomato isn’t a vegetable, it’s a fruit. Like apples”
“Yeah dumbass there’s no difference between apples and tomatoes. In fact, I’d go ahead and never eat a tomato again. Might as well”
Oh thanks for schooling me on figures of speech, completely missing the point of my comment.
You know sir, you are a man. Just like Trump, Jeffrey dahmer and Hitler. Just saying, food for thought out there. Being very smart here, don’t get upset at my simile if you can.
We didn’t miss the point of your comment. We thought it was stupid, and his comparison was to highlight why.
why would anyone get upset that you’re bad at language?
despite your sarcastic remark, your attempt once again shows you don’t understand how these figures of speech work. your simile doesn’t work the same way because Russia is a good example of an oligarchy, and apple is a good example of a fruit. but mangolini, dahmer and hitler aren’t good examples of men.
so a better example would be more like “donnie is a fascist, like hitler”. hitler is a proper example for a fascist, but the sentence still doesn’t mean he’s literally the same as hitler with no differences whatsoever.
the sentence still doesn’t mean he’s literally the same as hitler
For one, Trump doesn’t like dogs. For another, Hitler never had access to a nuclear arsenal.
Yeah but who in the world would like to live in Russia?
The USA isn’t at Russias level like at all.
Lots of problems for sure, but lets not try to prop up Dictatorship Russia to the, admittedly low level of the USA.
Just like Trump, Jeffrey dahmer and Hitler.
One of these things is not like the other. Can you tell which one?
If I’m not a fan of america and america is the same as russia why would I moved to russia. Also, it’s plain to see that russia is in a war right now with its neighbor. Even if I were to accept they are equivalent one is actively sending conscripts to the battle field.
It’s OK, I know what you were trying to do and it’s still no appreciated so don’t respond.
FML I thought bots used ChatGPT nowadays
Drop in Ruble prices made the credits too expensive, don’t worry we’re starting up a gold farming scheme in runescape and should get the propoganda back to its usual quality in no time.
Nobody mentioned Russia until you did.
It’s in the post title.
So it is. I didn’t notice that.
