…yeah, ok. Sounds good.
moves to California
It’ll never happen. US Military would never willingly split itself apart, let itself get split apart, or let another nation that it’s not allied with have any sort of Army on its equivalent. The 50 states are here to stay.
Never say never. The domestic terrorists/agents of Putin are aching for an actual shooting civil war.
Even a peaceful division of the US would be something they would seriously benefit from. The US permanently divided against itself, each side easy to manipulate into a military conflict against the other. We would have nukes pointed at each other within a decade. It would be like the splitting of India and Pakistan, along with all the accompanying human rights atrocities.
Also how long before an invasion? They’re fascists, fascists don’t sit still while experiencing consequences, they invade
America has never been good at defeating geurilla forces
<General Sherman claws his way out of the grave.>
Sherman should have kept burning the traitors.
Dude should have gone west after Savannah, Atlanta has its shit mostly together now
Cop City not withstanding
Agreed, but that seems more a reaction to the progress than a symptom of it not happening.
It’s expansive here in the places you may want to live, but seriously… It’s worth it. There’s also a lot of cheap places that aren’t as ideal.
Don’t threaten me with a good country.
Can Canada take the coastal states?
Don’t threaten me with a good time lady.
Predictable. The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
I suspect it’s because for this brief period of time, anyway, it’s hard for them to avoid just how HATED they and their precious golden donvict truly are. They thought they’d “win” and all the normal Americans around them would just disappear. And yet, Karens like Green continue to get confronted by normal people.
The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
Because we’ve stolen their martyrdom from them by losing.
This is outrageously anecdotal but the trumpers I know were all grins on the day after until they realized we weren’t gonna just get over this and they just labeled themselves. They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
Yeah, the Professional Left did an entire section about this and they mentioned the case where some husband is completely gobsmacked that his wife filed for divorce.
But yeah, I’ve seen the same thing and heard about it from others. Lots of quiet interactions about how so and so is a big proponent of donvict; don’t invite him/her to {whatever social function}.
The refrain of “yeah, but let’s just agree to disagree” - I can see why many people, especially those most at risk thanks to what they wan, are thinking: “YEAH, FUCK THAT. You just voted to harm me, and you want to act like it’s just a disagreement?”
Donvict is the only good name for him anybody has come up with. Good job.
Why so angry? It’s all they know…
So they know that Texas doesn’t have a GDP high enough to even run all their red catastrophies, right? I’m kidding, I know they don’t know. They probably also don’t know that CA would be the third largest super power if they ever let us go. Which they won’t. At all.
Californians are in an abusive relationship. Blamed for everything and not allowed to leave
Just let us have our fires in peace damnit!
And we pay them more money than we use for ourselves.
California should secede and kick off the great (terrible) balkanization of the formerly united states
NCR & The North East republic
Vs
Yeehawistan
Unfortunately that would cause a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation with a country connected by airlines. Except worse because Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico would be enclaves in trumpistan
I don’t know, they are certainly close to dumb enough to sign off on it. Or, you know, we can just do it and ignore the rules since they are all so fond of that now.
How is it not illegal for her to say these things? Like is that a threat against the United States?
A known traitor threat against the United States was allowed to run for and be elected president. This country doesn’t have laws except for the poor and it certainly doesn’t have a functioning system of justice or even government at this point.
Depends.
Protected by the first amendment, one can legally advocate for the dissolution of the Union
through bicameral ratification outlined constitutionallyby constitutional amendment. To advocate for armed insurrection or violent overthrow of the federal government is sedition and considered quite illegal.Is it really illegal if the law isn’t enforced? Is anything a Republican does illegal anymore?
I’ve always loved this quote about conservatism:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Francis Wilhoit
“illegal” is rather a quaint notion.
I was told there is nothing in the constitution allowing for secession.
These people are very much against a lot of things on the constitution…and the bible…and fake-champion both…ugh
You’re correct. I was wrong. The Constitution would have to be amended to allow for it first.
The United States Constitution does not explicitly provide a method for the dissolution of the union. In fact, the Constitution is quite silent on the topic of secession or dissolution.
However, there are a few relevant provisions and historical precedents that are often cited in discussions about the possibility of dissolution:
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1: This clause, also known as the “Guarantee Clause,” states that the United States shall guarantee to every state a republican form of government. Some argue that this clause implies a constitutional obligation for the federal government to maintain the union and prevent secession.
The Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2): This clause establishes the Constitution and federal laws as the supreme law of the land, which some interpret as precluding the possibility of secession.
The Civil War and the 14th Amendment: The American Civil War (1861-1865) was fought, in part, over the issue of secession. The 14th Amendment (1868) was ratified in the aftermath of the war and includes language that could be seen as prohibiting secession. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that no person who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States shall be eligible to hold federal or state office.
Texas v. White (1869): In this landmark Supreme Court case, the Court ruled that secession is not permissible under the Constitution. The decision stated that the Constitution looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states.
While these provisions and precedents suggest that the Constitution does not provide a clear method for dissolution, they do not necessarily rule out the possibility of secession or dissolution entirely. Some argue that secession could be achieved through a constitutional amendment or a negotiated agreement between the federal government and a state or group of states.
It’s worth noting that, in practice, the possibility of dissolution is often seen as a highly unlikely and potentially destabilizing event. The United States has a long history of federalism and a strong tradition of national unity, which has generally been maintained through a system of shared power and compromise between the federal government and the states.
About the only thing that would make me happier than to have the entire pacific west coast secede and create a sovereign nation would be for Trump to do it for us so we don’t have to fight a war over it. You want us gone? Please, show us the exit, we’ll be on our way. No takebacksies.
Can the Northeast join? No one in MA for example wants to be part of MAGA Land.
Iirc one of
MAME electoral votes will go to Trump, ao nlt really no-oneEdit: I’m stupid. MA is Massachusetts which is blue af (every county iirc). Maine is ME
I’m hoping for Cascadia.
This made me feel good to think about. And the downsides about why we could never do it are now equally matched and going to happen anyway.
Only issue would be public health stuff, but that requires cooperation across the board.
please?
Don’t threaten me with a good time…
California would do so much better on its own I feel like
5th largest economy on the planet by itself.
Russia has a smaller economy. Go ahead. Make it without us. Dumb fucks.
Can… can Washington come? The western half at least?
Most of the Western states would probably end up joining overall. I dont see Idaho lasting too long being one of the few remaining states that far west for example.
Utah and Idaho definitely wouldn’t join California. Both are heavily Mormon/religious, conservative, and backward. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada probably would.
Artillery and attacks on infrastructure can be very persuasive. We dont need the people just the raw resources.
Washington and Oregon are basically Very Northern California.
Oh look, a broken clock.
How many times do we need to keep this nation “united” at gunpoint before we acknowledge that the science and reason people are incompatible with the supply side Jesus and racial hatred people? We can’t stand one another, and time only deepens that division until bloodshed, over and over.
You can’t educate those cultures that refuse to be educated or have their children educated. That kind of change, born of desperation and constant struggle inflicted from your own culture’s values needs to come from within. The Red States need their Martin Luther “maybe we shouldn’t punch ourselves in the face every day” reformation moment, and it isn’t rational for those that see beyond their ignorance and superstition be dragged down with them for generations until they get there. Blue states propping them up only prolong comfort in their ignorance.
You can’t force cultural evolution or save the willfully ignorant from their own willlfull ignorance from outside on Alabama any more than you can on Afghanistan, all you do is create a common enemy for them, as we continue to experience.
A republican flip flopping on states rights again? I’m shocked.
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I’d be all for the fascists getting their own country to ruin. But we’re too spread out to make it feasible.
Yeah, we’d essentially become three countries - the West, the East, and the No-Go Zone in the middle. Just get us New Mexicans to somewhere decent before all borders close.
Brother we don’t even like the old Mexicans. You’ll probably be in cuffs before someone can find the crayons to explain to trump the difference between Mexico and New Mexico.
😂 oh boy true
I’m literally moving to a blue state. The one good idea she had I beat her to it. Peace idiots.
I’m sure the blue states won’t have an issue losing the subsidies-dependent red states. I wonder where flyover country wants to get the money from to keep up their lifestyle.
They’ll get it from Russian and Saudi oligarchs, maybe.
Good luck with that.
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