Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes. The only thing I hope for at this point is strong Europe.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes.
No one thinks major downward shifts will happen in their lifetime…until they do. Our great shame is that we voted for it.
Writing’s on the wall. We’re squarely on the path of decline.
Only thing to debate now is the timeline.
I remember pointing out to my 8th grade social studies teacher that most countries don’t get to exist for over 200 years, especially after they have a massive civil war.
Have you heard of European countries?
Many European countries that we know today didn’t exist in their current form that long ago and had a major war preceding the establishment of that nation. Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg were formed in 1815 and Kingdom of Belgium 1830 before they were always subjects of a bigger empire or kingdom. Unification of Italy 1871 when Rome was finally captured and French Republic formed in 1792, France’s latest form is the Fifth Republic established in 1958. Germany only unified in 1866 before that time it was a bunch of smaller states and kingdoms, then after 1919 became the Weimar Republic, Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 and then fall of the wall in 1989. Independence of Greece 1821. Those examples aren’t the only ones and don’t forget the western Balkans, those nations were all formed in the 90’s.
It’s not that the country of America will disappear after a civil war but it might not be called the USA anymore.
The number of them that havent had a massive civil war or have been forced to reform because of war is fucken Sweden, Switzerland, and maybe Portugal im not familiar with their history. No Lichtenstein and the other micro nations dont count.
The comment I was replying to stated that countries don’t get to exist beyond 200 years. There are several countries that exist way beyond the 200 year mark, many of them much longer.
Greetings from Germany. Maybe you want to skip everything that happens from now on and end this before this lunatic takes office.
On a unrelated topic: aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
Yes, and ownership is predominantly with those who want to kill/ deport immigrants. In the US, there are ~120.5 guns per 100 people. However, this statistic is misleading, because you might expect most people to have 1 gun, and a few people to have more than one to get to that statistic. However, most households do not have a fire arm.
So the average gun-owner, actually owns from 4-8 guns, while the majority of Americans own 0 guns. We have a culture of gun-obsessed rightwing psychopaths.
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As a non-right wing, non-psychopath, I’m uncomfortable with the idea of owning a gun at all.
I don’t want one in my home and I don’t want one on my person. Even if I did purchase one and ended up using it to protect myself, the knowledge that I took a human’s life would be too much for me to live with.
There’s a problem with TOO MANY GUNS.
Let’s solve that problem by GETTING MORE GUNS
The problem there is the government already has most of the guns and are very, very willing to use them.
When was the last time the military used the guns against its population?
Every day, when the militarized police kill innocent people extrajudicially.
That baby was coming right for 'em.
54 years, I think?
Remember that baby an officer shot the other day? Shoulda had a gun.
I personally think there arent enough guns being used properly. But then again I think the funny shooty shooty bang bang sticks should be used to shed the blood of Saxon men.
Its always interesting and telling how people respond to things. Your assumption that I don’t own a fire arm tells me more about you than it ever would myself.
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I’m really sorry if you’re having a bad day,
Why did that lead you to respond in such an angry manner?
I think you need to take a breath and check to see if you’ve made any correct assumptions whatsoever in this conversation. The tone of my response couldn’t be more sanguine.
The majority of the gun owners are also right wing Trumpers.
History repeats itself (because humans are stupid).
Pick up a history book to find out where it goes from here.
If you can get out of this country, get out.
Yup.
Obviously that’s not an option for the vast majority. But if you have the means, then there are absolutely 1st world countries where you can live a longer, healthier, less stressful life where you are afforded more rights.
This ship is sinking. Maybe slowly, but definitely sinking.
among those will likely be people whose relatives voted for Trump because of reasons
And all of the military stationed at the border will be turned around to keep people in once Trump moves on from immigrants to trans people, or some other group who will be forced to flee the country to avoid being put in the concentration camps that will be empty and need people to keep the prison companies’ profits up.
Surely nobody would ever march their army on Rome.
Oh hey look, there’s the ultraconservative Sulla, why does he have his entire army with him?
Canuck here.
Doesn’t the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit the use of military (other than National Guard and Coast Guard) for this purpose?
I see they can be used but only if the Insurrection Act is invoked (might be other ways but that’s the one that came up most frequently in my searches).
Laws don’t matter any more.
Scary times ahead. That’s for sure.
It does.
But when none of the checks actually step in to stop it, then what difference does it make?
Presidents are now immune from prosecution for basically anything they do in an official capacity thanks to the corrupted Supreme Court. So who’s going to stop him? Even if Congress makes a new, specific law against it with dire consequences, he’s putting loyalists in law enforcement and the courts can’t enforce the law when the highest one will overturn any ruling because of that interpretation.
Presidents are now immune from prosecution for basically anything they do in an official capacity thanks to the corrupted Supreme Court. So who’s going to stop him?
Yeah that’s the scary and totally MESSED UP thing. I really hope there are some good folks in the US armed forces that will resist and go by the book. But I’m not holding my breath.
All we can do at this point is wait and see what happens.
My hope is that once all the farm/meat packing workers get deported, we realize that we don’t have any food left. After a few months of being vegetarian, the red-meat eating conservatives will back-track and finally open up a legal path for all those workers to be here.
The rich and powerful will still be buying meat at the insane rates, and their opinions are the only ones the other rich and powerful care about
Y’all ever see one of those fuckers admit they were wrong?
Girl… you know all my possés are commitatus.
The problem I haven’t seen anyone address is where you deport them to. In Korea, people would enter and then throw away their passport, and refuse to say which country they came from. Even if you did DNA testing, you wouldn’t be able to tell with 100% confidence. If mass deportations start, I highly suspect this will become a major issue.
