• LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    At least 2 investigative journalists think that the election was stolen. America didn’t choose him.

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    8 days ago

    That’ll send the Dems a message!

    What message?

    “The far-right gets more votes than a moderate, and there is no sizable left-wing voter bloc in this country”?

    Huh.

    Maybe that was the wrong message to send.

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      “And we’re cool with genocide as long as it’s not BlUe MAgA supported genocide! That’s just a bridge too far!”

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      When Obama won on a message of hope and change they decided to use that popularity as currency in exchange for corporate/moderate policy.

      I wanted Harris to win. I hate Trump, but I can be mad at the Harris campaign for being shit and giving us Trump. I can be mad at everything.

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        I wanted Harris to win. I hate Trump, but I can be mad at the Harris campaign for being shit and giving us Trump. I can be mad at everything.

        That’s the right attitude tbqh

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        Obama at least managed to deliver the Affordable Care Act; which despite not being Medicare Part E (Medicare for All), was a significant improvement over what existed before.

        What the US needs is a proper progressive firebrand from the Dems; someone from the Bernie school - or hell, just pick from any one of the other Western democracies.

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      If that’s their takeaway, then we’re doomed. They did nothing but court Republicans with their “We can be tough on migrants too” shit. It always blows up in their faces. Biden ran a moderately progressive campaign and blew Trump out of the water. Maybe… just maybe the supposed left party should stop courting the right. Most Americans agree with progressive policies (once you couch them to not sound too “socialist”)

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        If that’s their takeaway, then we’re doomed

        Hate to break it to you, but we’re doomed. We voted in a fascist.

        The best we can hope for is that Trump is less vicious than his rhetoric or that his incompetence prevents him from doing the many awful things he promised on the campaign trail.

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        If that’s their takeaway, then we’re doomed.

        Yes, which is why we should’ve sent a different message.

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      You believe they were all in good faith? I’m convinced some, or even most of the people sending that message got exactly what they wanted.

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        Some, sure. Most of the time, I assume that when people say stupid shit, it’s because they believe something stupid. Usually because their stupid beliefs are parroted in a community of people which are driven by bad actors - like how most conservatives are feeding from the bad actors in Fox News and acting as a self-reinforcing circlejerk of bad opinions.

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          That’s certainly part of it. There are also those on the far left that would rather see acceleration towards collapse over another moderate in office. They may not have the numbers, but that doesn’t stop the message from affecting undecided voters.

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            I wouldn’t have described myself that way before this election but I might now. It’s time for America as we know it to cease to exist. I’m not sure what form that should take but this clearly isn’t working anymore.

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              You cannot have America “cease to exist” on its own. Trump will fuck over America, and make it more barbaric in both foreign and domestic affairs, but it will not “stop being America”. I’m sick and tired of people saying “this isn’t America!” when the United States deposes a democratically-elected candidate again, or when its “democracy” gives people the choice between two war-hawks again, or when the FBI spies on people against their will again, or enacts huge tax cuts again, and so on. Sure, since Kamala is slightly less American, I chose Kamala because of harm reduction. But what I want you all to understand is this:

              I don’t want the America of the 1990’s. I don’t want the America of the 1950’s. I don’t want the America of the 1920’s, or the 1890’s, or the 1850’s, or some fever-dreamt America “that will someday happen”. I want NO America. I want NO United States Federal Government.

              Sure, Russia and China are bad. But I will not acquiesce to the US military for the sake of fending them off. US democracy has never put people in control of their government; instead, it’s been about two warmongers promising to keep things as they are. Ever since 2016, voting has been an act of begging.

              Instead of voting to give the government their say, people vote to beg the government not to make draconian laws. Any state will have a happier, freer people if they secede from the Union, defend themselves successfully, and make a fresh start.

              Edit: Meant to press “Preview” and pressed something else.

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                I may not agree with all of your points, but well done in the presentation. Comes across as reasoned and thought out instead of the irl people I interract with that downplay the severity of how this will affect the average and non-average US citizen.

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      Nothing to do with her politics. Everything to do with the BS the Dems pulled to get her on the ballot. Dems told me to hold my nose and vote for democracy. . .for a third time and it just got old.

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    Mad at her for what? Having little power as VP? Being out on the ballot? Even if she said no, the Dem party leadership would just have to quickly push someone in the same manner. All of the excuses are either complete bullshit or Trump would be worse. So stupid…

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    Imagine being so bad at politics, that you lose to Trump 3 times in a row.