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Plus space capitalism with the Ferengi.
Wait, where did this image come from? I’ll love this. Is this shen OC or is this an edit?
Started with this guy, then did my thing.
Dude you rock! Love what you did above
And linux!
I mean, Linux (and the entire ecosystem) is a fundamentally socialist concept.
I would say GNU is one that’s openly socialist. If Linux’s (or rather, Linus Torvald’s) philosophy is socialist, they either do a very good job of hiding the fact or there is a lot I don’t know about them.
I’d never seen that, thanks for sharing it!
That doesn’t make him a socialist. He doesn’t espouse any of the core socialist beliefs there. He’s just saying he’s a “woke communist” (as described by the right), which could mean anything from a centre-left liberal to a Marxist.
Socialism is when Linus does stuff. And it’s more socialism the more stuff he does. And if he does a real lot of stuff, that’s communism.
angry spitting libertarian noises
And my axe!
And my sword!
…and Linux.
and eating the billionaires
Omnom.
I’m not into cannibalism but I can definitely prep them for you.
And Star Trek
Which has killed more people then even communism!
I realize we’re inherently not capitalistic platform because everyone has the access to own their portion. Pretty cool imo and not to toot the horn for the millionth time, it definitely seems like the future of the internet
I mean, I dunno. It’s been the “future of the internet” since the 90’s, but nobody can solve the fundamental problems with such systems existing in the actual real material world, so we just get hit with an ever dwindling supply of larger and larger social media monopolies. Same as it ever was.
My partner has been insinuating that I’m a communist recently. I don’t think I’m a communist, I simply want to seize the means of production for the people.
Doesn’t that make you a communist?
You sound just like my partner.
It’s part of the plan. To get people to accept a perspective before learning from where one has to stand to have such a perspective.
Something that can’t be denied is that there are bad actors in America who actively want the downfall of America. These groups look to the future and determine what will harm America in critical aspects. These groups (sometimes actively funded by other nations) arent actively seeking uprising or revolt this year, or next year, but maybe by the end of the decade, or maybe the next decade.
These malevolent forces at work arent readily apparent. One of these goals is division. “Divide and conquer.” I don’t believe it’s completely by accident that politics are so divisive right now.
I’m not that old, but I remember a time when people wouldn’t generalize and stereotype each other based on political leanings.
We again need to prioritize love for each other over political standings.
I mean… It’s one of the reasons I like it so much here.
You don’t need to sell it to me, I already love it.
good. kind of like an anti twitter.
The socialists must flee what was formerly known as Twitter, now under the control of a totalitarian fascist regime ruled by a mad dictator, or face extermination, and are now refugees wherever they ended up on the Internet
it’s also currently known as twitter. even the madman calls it twitter and says tweet and shit. he’s so fucking dumb.
You are gonna love Mastodon
NZ? I hope I could go someday.
Didn’t he go to jail for sex crimes?
Oh God
Ahem, this is a community
What did you expect?
I just hate how it is vilified when we literally freely give billions in taxpayer monies to oil companies.
To be fair, we are not the ones making those decisions, the Bourgeoisie is.
Indeed, corporate socialism and the search for deregulation, self-regulation and cheap labor.
Not to be pedantic, but “corporate socialism” isn’t a thing, that’s just Capitalism as it monopolizes.
Though half of it is complaining about capitalism.
at the end of the day, it’s all complaining and no action. i get so tired of hearing children whine and doing nothing about anything.
The Socialist instances regularly advocate that Leftists join an org like PSL or FRSO.
that seems about as useless as bitching online about it.
the system grinds down opposition. change from within is near impossible.
You’re right they shouldn’t even try and they should also feel bad for not trying. Let’s all be sad defeatists… Lol jk no thanks dude
they should try, but those orgs are not trying. those orgs are pacifying.
Are you advocating for random terrorism? That’s adventurism, which sets revolutionary movements back.
ok. keep donating then. get back to me in 10 years.
It isn’t from within, those are revolutionary orgs.
And vegan drama that you really don’t want to get involved in.
It hasn’t really been my experience here. Yeah there is some.
Have you tried being less aimless at what you subscribe here? Do you come here because you want to connect with information, or just mindlessly doom scroll and consume?
If you’re not intentional about your social media tools, you will have a bad time.
Lemmy.world is defederated from the major Marxist instances, so that filters out a lot of discussion about Socialism.
Actually I find that it allows more range of Socialism strains to be discussed. A lot of Marxists tend to look rather poorly at any mixed Socialism blends as either heretical or as liminal states with Communism as a complete end goal instead of being legitimate in their own right.
Where ever Marxism tends to particularly flourish erasure of a lot of other Socialist philosophy tends to be the norm. Socialism is a big range of different veiws of how publicly held and private property domains intermix with a lot of foundational philosophy some of which pre-dates or were contemporaries of Marx. Marx may have coined the term but it’s important to remember that when he was writing his work there were specific peers in his feild that some of it was directed at who he was sort of in agreement with and sort of not. Many wholeheartedly adopted his term for the broad stroke of their own philosophy even though they would later be at loggerheads about details. Later in life Marx really did not get along with other prominent Socialists of his era. Those who subscribe very heavily to his text tend to follow his tradition of being very dismissive of other Socialist strains and rather combative because the text is very fiery and segments well into calls for violence
If one wants to go talk Marxism the other instances are always there and are generally better venues. It’s valuable to have spaces that have differences so that other schools of political thought have air. As far as Marxists here go, since having a group that usually denies others the very words they use to self identify by, demanding they be called illegitimate, sucks all the air from the room they are generally not particularly welcome in the space unless they demonstrate they can play nice with others.
Actually I find that it allows more range of Socialism strains to be discussed. A lot of Marxists tend to look rather poorly at any mixed Socialism blends as either heretical or as liminal states with Communism as a complete end goal instead of being legitimate in their own right.
The PRC is an example of a Socialist Market Economy, it isn’t fully socialized. What Marxists take issue with is Dictatorships of the Bourgeoisie vs Dictatorships of the Proletariat.
Marx may have coined the term
Marx did not coin the term. Marx was simply the most relevant and influential Socialist, and history has proven his ideas to be correct.
It depends on what ideas you deem to be “correct”. He was very good at elucidation of the nature of how European models of property rights were impacting large swaths of the population at large… But its difficult to say if he had everything figured out because his “dictatorship of the proletariat” doesn’t seem to ever actualize in a lasting fashion. It usually ends up as an authoritarian state arguably because the system is vulnerable to the first group that decides to break faith with the covenant. A lot of Communist hopefuls tend to either take the examples of this happening as “not true Communism” or try to minimize the bad aspects of regimes that adopted the principles… It does seem once power is too laterally spread it becomes weak to any hierarchy that as long as they can talk a good game and use Marxist language.
In either case a lot of us would not call those outcomes “proven correct”. I would say he had some very lasting ideas which are useful tools… But the fact that none of the places where attempted enactment have particularly lived up to his hype means that like a lot of philosophy of his time that the answers are a lot more complex and nuanced than he could have forseen.
But its difficult to say if he had everything figured out because his “dictatorship of the proletariat” doesn’t seem to ever actualize in a lasting fashion. It usually ends up as an authoritarian state arguably because the system is vulnerable to the first group that decides to break faith with the covenant
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the DotP and Communist history in general. The PRC has a DotP, the USSR did, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, etc. All have a DotP. Read Why do Marxists fail to bring about the “Worker’s Paradise?” You have an odd, idealistic idea of Marxism that even Marx would deny.
A lot of Communist hopefuls tend to either take the examples of this happening as “not true Communism” or try to minimize the bad aspects of regimes that adopted the principles… It does seem once power is too laterally spread it becomes weak to any hierarchy that as long as they can talk a good game and use Marxist language.
This is just a bunch of gestures. The reality is that AES states are truly guided by Marxism, and are true attempts at Communism, but haven’t made it to the Communist stage of development.
In either case a lot of us would not call those outcomes “proven correct”. I would say he had some very lasting ideas which are useful tools… But the fact that none of the places where attempted enactment have particularly lived up to his hype means that like a lot of philosophy of his time that the answers are a lot more complex and nuanced than he could have forseen.
They have absolutely lived up to the hype, coming with drastic reductions in poverty, wealth inequality, increases in life expectancy, housing rates, ending famines, free healthcare and education, democratization, and more. Please, read Blackshirts and Reds.
This is just a bunch of gestures. The reality is that AES states are truly guided by Marxism, and are true attempts at Communism, but haven’t made it to the Communist stage of development.
Why are you including things which have not yet made it to the Communist stage of development as examples of success of Marxist theory? That isn’t a proof that Communism is great yet. It’s calling the experiment before actually seeing if it works.
And I am not quick to call the USSR or Cuba particularly Dictatorships of the Proletariat. They became actual Dictatorships that carried forward the heirachy of the paramilitary organizations that spawned them never ceeding them to the workers councils like they were supposed to do instead creating new dynasties of career politicians…Career politicians of a one party state are not “working class”.
Why are you including things which have not yet made it to the Communist stage of development as examples of success of Marxist theory?
Because Marxism isn’t Utopian. Marxism isn’t a grand idea of a just society, but a theory of historical development. Read Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, this is basic Marxism.
That isn’t a proof that Communism is great yet. It’s calling the experiment before actually seeing if it works.
No. Communism is not an “experiment.” Marx didn’t come up with Communism as a grand society to implement, but saw how one Mode of Production gives way to the next, ie how Capitalism monopolizes into socialized syndicates over time, reaching central planning after proletarian revolution.
And I am not quick to call the USSR or Cuba particularly Dictatorships of the Proletariat. They became actual Dictatorships that carried forward the heirachy of the paramilitary organizations that spawned them never ceeding them to the workers councils like they were supposed to do instead creating new dynasties of career politicians…Career politicians of a one party state are not “working class”.
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They were not dictatorships.
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Cooperarives aren’t Marxism.
I suggest reading Why do Marxists fail to create the “Worker’s Paradise?” You have an anti-Marxist idea of what Socialism and Communism are. I also suggest reading Blackshirts and Reds to debunk anticommunist myths. I know I recommended both texts, and I know you didn’t read them. You really should!
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A lot of Marxists tend to look rather poorly at any mixed Socialism blends as either heretical or as liminal states with Communism as a complete end goal instead of being legitimate in their own right.
Additionally, those instances delete any comments that don’t align perfectly with their agenda, and routinely ban people who want actual discussion. So they’re not a place to discuss ideologies, they’re a place to pat each other on the back and talk about how smart and right they are.
They’re gonna screenshot this and circle-jerk all over it. I guarantee it. Because that’s all they do. They’re not interested in actually implementing incremental steps toward socialism, and also not interested in growing the left so that a revolution is possible. So they’re just miserable little fucks who shit on everyone who’s not a bloodthirsty tyrant.
It really is a hype based philosophy. I look at Marx as a bit of a stochastic terrorist of his time. His ideas aren’t dangerous particularly taken with a grain of salt but because they are written to lead one to become angrier and angrier without being given an outlet to work towards things on a constructive way Communist communities start hopeful and sour over time.
He always dances around how that limiting of other classes authority and individual inequities is going to be handled because the answer… Is violence. A generous read is that he is naive to believe everyone will see he’s right and kumbaya the whole thing into existence but more likely because of the language he uses other places he’s flat out for the nessisary purge required to achieve his aims.
Issue being is anarchic mobs are generally fairly weak… So to make a successful change you basically need paramilitary leaderships and military like heirachy to achieve that purge… And then so far in history that paramilitary heirachy never has effectively dissolved after the fact because if everybody is doing communism correctly creating competeting heirachy is antithetical… You are just supposed to ignore that the paramilitary heirachy that becomes the state isn’t strictly playing by Marx’s rules either but by then a population isn’t in a position to argue.
Which is why the “gradual cultural changes until we have the numbers to overcome the capitalists” approach is the answer. It’s not “extreme” or “cool” or “tough” or “glorious” but it is going to be the only effective long term method of achieving lasting socialism.
We saw how merely electing a black man set off the reactionaries and got Nazis marching in the streets again. Imagine the reaction to an actual attempt at violent revolution when we don’t have the numbers to support us?
And how do we get the numbers, eh? By calling liberals “shitlibs” and banning them from discussion? By eliminating the possibility of bringing them further to the left?
We need numbers and overall cultural changes. Which is FINALLY happening thanks to social media.
Or maybe it is that bad and I’m just tuning it out? I pass by a lot of stuff that I don’t interact with.
See, you got the right idea. Lots of stuff i don’t agree with i just let it sliiiide on by.
90% of the homies angry at the bear and .ml are that one type you already know. The type that can’t stand to see something in their feed they disagree with. Like the guys who’ll come into Apple threads to say “Android is superior lol”.
So anyway these chuckleheads come into those socialist threads with the attitude they were gonna “teach some 14 yo commies” or some other candy-assed shit and got whiplash from gettin bounced hard by a mod.
I love to see it. Every time a thread like this pops up a bunch of trolls come out to complain and i get to look up their mod logs to laugh at their embarrassing moments.
Its not a great habit, schadenfreude, but it beats smoking weed
“I let them come, and then I let them go”
Not the case. I may disagree with some of the stuff on ml or the bear, but a bad meme is a bad meme
Did you mean to reply to me?
Yes i did
Actually the first one is lemmy.world users confusing corporate centrists for socialism
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What’s wrong with socialism? I like socialism.
I want to seize the means of production as much as the next guy but it gets kinda boring after a while if that’s the only content available
It doesnt get boring hearing about how judges demolish bodily autonomy of women and commit other atrocities in the name of corporate freedom.
Ah you mean in the US? I see, well there’s also the rest of the world
Are you positive? I feel like I need a source on that
I’m just sick of the fucking tankies telling me World War 3 will finally give us workers rights.
When you grow that third arm the production will increase by half by default…
Chernobyl was a long con to create production in order to cease the means of it.
