Sorry, guys. I’m voting for the only candidate that can end global warming.
Giant Meteor / Butt Stuff ‘24!
This time we’ll get it in the end!
BOHICA.
Do you have a newsletter I can sign up for?
This is the 3rd party I’ve been waiting for.
Please don’t play with my emotions
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Where are all the Russian plants, oops I mean true progressives, at to tell us we’re just not leftist or progressive enough and Jill is totally definitely only ever trying to improve things for the country, ignoring her meeting with Putin and aides, and also Kamala is literally no different than Trump! Universalmonk, verdantbanana….i need you to straighten OP out! /s
Jill is too mainstream, I’ve voting for Rachele Fruit of the Socialist Workers Party!
Vermin Supreme for Every Elected Position 2024. The one true choice.
A mandatory tooth brushing law is the most un-American bullshit I can think of.
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed. Nothing less than a knight, shining…
Oh you’ve changed the candidate you’re backing, huh? You are a very serious voter with real principles and values, Mr. Monk.
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I couldn’t possibly pull either lever, that would put blood on my hands! Instead I spend all day on Lemmy urging everyone to pull the display lever. This is different from me touching any levers directly, because reasons.
You pull the first lever. I dunno why nobody is answering.
Is doing my Jason Russell impression an option?
The trolley problem does not have a correct answer, and a very popular way of thinking is that “if I do not engage the lever, whatever happens next is not my responsibility. If I divert, I will have killed that one person.”
I’m not American, not here to tell anyone who to vote for
Why should I accept the assumption that a trump presidency means 100 times more people killed, whether involving American weapons or not?
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Maybe the most egregious example of this was something I saw yesterday, which was somebody saying “Tim Walz needs to go vegan”. When pressed about why him and not, say, Donald Trump, they said that people on the left and center were more likely to actually be swayed. It wasn’t worth engaging any further, but I thought it was pretty hilarious that they bothered to try to push the 60-year-old VP candidate to go vegan, but not the 40-year-old VP candidate. Like, you know that you’re not pushing the needle for anybody with that post, right?
It’s about as useless as making a post saying that JD Vance should hang dry his clothes instead of wasting energy running a clothes dryer.
Look pal, the general said “sow division” amongst whatever socio-political lines we can see, ok? Why Do You Hate Black Vegan Catholics???
(/s obl.)
Third parties are obviously the way any intelligent person may choose to vote. This video explains why they are currently not viable in America. Ranked choice voting has to come before third parties. It’s not a moral thing, it’s voting math.
Gonna vote third party as soon as the Democrats and Republicans implement ranked choice voting
It some places it is taking place. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States
ITT: people skipping over the 39 days bit. Time and place. Let’s save the Republic then we work on everything else.
tbf people have been saying this as far back as Clinton’s term.
There was even discussion of Biden only running for one term before he was elected, yet lots of people here refused to believe anyone who wanted a new candidate was actually a republican in disguise.
Still, no point voting for a non existent grassroots third party. Green party more or less exists for people who don’t want to vote, not a valid anti corporate solution, despite having a decent group of members.
BUT THIS TIME ITS REAL PROMISE!
Where’s that universalmonk blyat?
You can’t call any of them by name, unlike Beetlejuice. You have to post something positive, even mildly so, about the Harris/Walz campaign. Then all the little rats come scurrying over to tell you how you’re a genocide stan and any real American should be voting for Cornoliverill Stein de la Fruit, and it’s definitely not because daddy Putin said so.
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Bad faith actors are out here trying to channel energy into a psuedo-democracy instead of participating in bottom up politics.
If you care about stopping fascism, join a socialist org. Donald Trump isn’t some anomaly, he is a result of systemic economic forces that bring imperialist violence back to our shores as global resistance makes our imperial influence overseas wane. Democrats (the people who control the democratic party, not like, voters) do not want to bring an end to the system that creates this phenomenon, they directly profit from it.
You can’t base your opposition to fascism by voting for a party that supports the conditions that are creating fascism. I dont care who you vote for, go hog wild, but join a socialist org if you care about stopping fascism in the long term.
Discouraging 3rd party voting hurts democrats more than anyone. Studies show that 3rd party presidential candidates largely bring out people that would not have voted otherwise and largely benefit the democratic party down-ballot.
Don’t tell your apolitical friend about how they shouldn’t vote for Cornel. Don’t tell your friend about how voting for a 3rd party is pointless. Don’t tell your friend to vote for your person. Tell them to vote.
Edit: here’s my receipt.
Independent voters supported Democratic candidates over Republican candidates, 49% to 47%, according to the exit poll by Edison Research for CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS. According to the AP VoteCast survey for The Wall Street Journal and Fox News, independents supported Democrats over Republicans, 42% to 38% … While independents nationally voted for Democratic candidates by just 2 points, they supported Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly over Republican challenger Blake Masters by 16 points, Georgia Sen. Raphael Warnock over Republican Herschel Walker by 11 points (in the Nov. 8 election), and, for senator from Pennsylvania, John Fetterman over Republican Mehmet Oz by a whopping 20 points. ( My note on Fetterman, this was before the stroke)
I like it. Tell them to vote, then encourage them to vote for Harris (especially if you’re in a swing state).
You can try that, but they should be separate conversations. Have one conversation about how voting generally is good. Then have another conversation about candidates. Trying to roll it all in one will still discourage those types of voters for the partisan appearance.
I like this approach, just encourage people to vote. I don’t care who or what you vote for, but take 30 minutes and read up on a few issues and then go participate every single time in all the elections.
I would rather someome vote for a party other than Dem or Rep, than not vote at all.
Mathematically the same thing in almost every case.
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… Because I want people to vote? I did not expect that to be a hot take.
May have been misinterpreted as a flat “I would rather someone vote for a party other than Dem or Rep” without “than not vote at all” to contextualize it.
“Misinterpreted” is a funny way to spell “illiterate”.
Voting for a third party in our two party system is throwing your vote away. Based on polling, a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump.
Take whatever you have against Harris and balance it against what a second Trump administration will bring.
TLDR it’s Fascism. Voting for any third party is signing off on Fascism.
If you’re an accelerationist, your side is not going to win. What you want is terrible and you’re a terrible person.
Tankie is the nicest way I could describe you.
It’s actually far worse.
You’re a Fascist sympathizer.
…I wonder what’s the chances you and your ilk are a maga psyop to counteract the “weird” meme by painting dem voters as maniacs.
If you’re voting 3rd party you’re not a Dem voter. You’re a Tankie trying to suppress votes and spread Fascism.
“Anyone who doesn’t think exactly like me is a fascist.”
Do you not see how this is abrasive? Do you think you are swaying anyone to your side with this kind of discourse?
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So lets pretend for the moment that a green party candidate or another random 3rd party won.
Do you think that they’ll have a mandate?
What about their legislative agenda?
They’re a lame duck.
Without Congress to pass laws they are useless and they have no representation in Congress so that’s dead on arrival.
If you legitimately want a 3rd party choice, then you have to advocate for ranked choice voting. Run for your local school board, local legislature. Coalitions are built from the bottom up, not the top down.
Jill Stein can’t even bring herself to call Putin a war criminal. Makes me wonder who’s financing her campaign. I don’t care what her people said about it later, she is obviously compromised.
Cornell West? He probably needs to make alimony payments and thought hey I can use this to sell a book.
Look, Biden is far from perfect, and least Harris presents an option from a different path. Trump isn’t going to stop Israel. Did you see what Miriam Adelson made Trump promise to do for her support? Let Israel annex the West Bank.
The only thing that might stop that is voting for Harris. And if you don’t, then you’re co-signing genocide. But that’s your choice. Tankies always go for the end justifies the means route. I guess that that means finishing up the Palestinian genocide. Better to kill em quick than to let them suffer longer right? Why not give Ukraine to Putin too right?
Encouraging people to vote third party in a two party system is enabling Fascism as those votes should go to Harris. Trump is a fascist. If you are arguing in good faith, I can explain why. But I feel like you’re not, hence, Tankie.
Wild.
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Get out of your echo chamber and speak to real human beings sometime soon, please.
Coming from a Russian bot that’s rich.
It’s Idiocracy all the way down, unfortunately.
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Did you know that one hundred percent of democrats die?
Chuck Schumer will live forever.
Him and Mitch the turtle, bickering at each other during the heat death of the universe.
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Gotta excuse supporting genocide in good faith. After all it is an election year
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