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“I WAS going to vote against fascism, but now you’ve FORCED me to vote for fascism!”
I had a conversation with my conservative neighbor who legitimately made this argument. He was saying that it’s the left’s fault for telling all these young conservative men that they’re Nazis, which makes those poor impressionable young men go “well if you’re going to call me a fascist then I’m going to fascist even harder just to spite you.”
“And in a way, that makes YOU the fascist!”
Continues becoming even more fascist
“I used to hold very strong leftist values and principles up until someone on the internet hurt my feelings.”
#walkaway
Why did Rage Against the Machine have to get so political? Why couldn’t they just stick to their music?
I’ve learned recently that the skinhead movement used to be antiracist and leftist af. Until nazis infiltrated the skinhead punk scene.
Antiracist and leftist is kind of an exaggeration; rather an apolitical subculture of the British working class up until the late 70s/early 80s when the National Front infiltrated the scene. This was during the second wave of the skinhead movement, the original skinheads in the 60s were influenced by West Indian immigrants to the UK, and listened mainly to ska and jamaican music, but generally not very politically conscious or involved. Kind of a rougher offshoot of the mod subculture.
The second wave of skinheads came out of the punk movement. A lot of skins were into Oi!/streetpunk and the NF made their own version which was then called RAC (Rock against communism) but is better known these days (at least in Europe) as White Power Music.
I’m not saying there weren’t leftist skinheads (Redskins and Angelic Upstarts would be a good place to start) but as a subculture, the common theme is rather working class identity and pride - which unfortunately, as we’ve seen, can be exploited by fascist movements as well.
Nazi punks, FUCK OFF!
While this does get pushed it’s important to realize they’re pushing it to take in people who feel rejected by liberals and leftists. That’s why when there’s a question that appears honest it’s important to treat it in good faith before assuming they’re a conservative troll.
There are people who spend their entire childhood hearing garbage like “black people are more disposed to criminality, because 50% of the prison population is black but only 20% of society is Black.” And they just haven’t ever been exposed to concepts like over policing. When you just react aggressively right away it can actually push them back into that ideology and then it’s really more a matter of the people around them. Humans need community. If political or religious truths are required for membership then they will adopt them.
And yes these same rules apply to someone who grew up hearing the US is an imperialist bully state. This is why diversity in school, the workplace, church, and wherever people congregate is so damn important. We need to see that we aren’t devils, that we all want the same thing. (A peaceful existence with enough distractions and the ability to provide for our family)
That’s also why extremist ideologues are so hell bent on isolating people. Home schooling, as many church events as possible, sun down towns, church approved summer camp, members only clubs, intolerance of tolerance, etc.
Agreed, although I think that “home schooling” should be bolded and italicized.
Hey, I was homeschooled and turned out okay! …My mom also has a bachelor of science and is, in general, a woman of science, though…so…maybe a little different for my case.
There isn’t just the education aspect. There’s also the social aspect.
Yeah, like half of that list is fine if you aren’t using to specifically cut people off from the rest of society. But that’s the entirety of why they push it.
And yes these same rules apply to someone who grew up hearing the US is an imperialist bully state.
I didn’t grow up hearing that, but I mean…
I see your point, and I hope I succeed in assuming people are interacting in good faith until shown otherwise most of the time, but at a certain point people also need to be responsible for questioning the narratives they have always accepted without having to be stroked and petted into doing so. (They are both the “party of personal responsibility” and also the “fuck your feelings” party, after all.)
I grew up surrounded by rah rah USA#1 jingoism and a continuous dose of cold war propaganda in almost every bit of media I consumed. (It was the 70s/80s after all) And now I know that the US is an imperialist bully state with a lot of things in its past that folks like to try wishing out of existence rather than willingly examining.
I didn’t change a bunch of my opinions because the people I used to disagree with about many (not all) of these and related topics were nice to me about it. The things that have changed have changed because I was willing to consider new information.
Oh there’s definitely a difference between being nice and straight up rejecting someone. You can be firm while not sending them on their way. I think the important skill we all need to learn and practice is de-escalation. It’s really easy to get into this mode of defending yourself when that was never the point.
I think the important skill we all need to learn and practice is de-escalation.
I generally agree with you about this, which is probably good enough for this discussion. 🙂
Poor conservatives. Always getting picked on by all those mean normies.
Always be projecting. It’s the only thing they know.
Even South Park touched on that sentiment. Like, how is calling everything racist eventually make one racist? That’s the most asinine excuse I’ve heard to be racist!
“I wasn’t racist until someone called me racist!”
No, you are already are a racist, you’re just making up excuses to finally show the real you.
Twisting their arms to be what they really are.
What happened. I’m drunk.
Proud boys donning Fred Perry’s like they’re actual skinheads pisses me off to no end. They got no idea what skinhead culture was all about.
Bullshit, comrade
If that’s some kind of dunk because of me being on ml, YSK I’m not a communist. Beyond that, I don’t really understand your point, which is fine.
To a fascist, all enemies are communist.
