sOCiaL mEdiA kEePs Me iNfOrMed!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe! wHy BoThEr VoTiNg LoL!She doesnt have to be perfect, just better that the fat shithead her is.
Ah yes, the latest in-group propaganda campaign. Please honor me with your downvotes.
It’s funny, because Republicans are running the exact same propaganda on the reverse.
There’s a Ben Garrison cartoon floating around that insinuates not voting for Trump is the same as murdering babies.
These candidates seem to stand for nothing. At least Obama and Biden lied to us about DC Statehood and closing Gitmo and student debt relief. Bush pretended to care about pro-business immigration reform and privatizing social security.
I’ve got no idea what Trump or Harris are actually campaigning on other than to say they aren’t the other person on the ballot. Even RFK is in on the act, having folded his campaign because he doesn’t want to upset MAGA voters.
Yeah there’s never been a better time to vote for a third party. I think we can move past this duopoly superstructure as long as we keep resisting. I don’t think the millenials or zoomers are as gullible as the boomers. But maybe I am being irrationally optimistic.
Never been a better time? If you’re in a swing state I want you to remember these words if Trump gets elected again. The horrorshow that will follow will give you time to contemplate. Most of us aren’t voting for Harris on her policy, we’re doing harm reduction.
Explain it to the women in your life.
Cool, thanks for assuming the women in my life think I’m throwing them under the bus. I love your inclusive outlook.
Yeah there’s never been a better time to vote for a third party
I don’t envy the folks who will be called fascist for supporting Jill Stein or Chase Oliver.
I don’t think the millenials or zoomers are as gullible as the boomers.
The Boomers gave us Ralph Nader, a genuinely honest and respectable man with a progressive agenda and the success record to back it up.
Unfortunately, the Boomers also crucified him for daring to run a national campaign.
I wish we could find another Nader - a guy who would make corrupt shits in Congress visibly shake when he called them out on their bullshit. I don’t think we’ve got anyone like that running today, sadly.
Yeah I totally agree. I listen to Ralph’s radio show, and he’s still kicking. As sharp as ever. But we could use another one that’s 50 years younger.
Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.
The left wing circular firing squad
I’m still going to tick the Kamala box, but I’m ashamed of how little she’s trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I’ll get going with direct action.
What specifically do you think she should do better on?
Main issue for most people is the fact that she’s not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.
Well, there’s not much she can do atm as vice-president. It’s very well-known that Biden is very pro-Israeli.
Her rhetoric on the topic as a candidate has been very mixed. She’s been improving since she had that meeting with Uncommitted leaders. Hopefully she can have a better plan than “ask nicely for a ceasefire” to present to voters before the election.
Harris said that as president, she would maintain the US alliance with Israel and “ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.”
To most people that sounds like she’ll keep sending weapons which will then be used to murder Palestinians.
people need to get over the israel/palestine thing. they’re going to kill each other. there’s nothing you can do about it. your precious conscience is not the most important thing in the world. if you get bogged down on one issue, you will miss the bigger issue.
Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.
Who the fuck is disliking? This is it. We need to apply the pressure after Drumpf is taken care of.
NO ONE is a perfect candidate
No, she isn’t. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don’t like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.
Douche and Turd Sandwich, every last time. Does get a little old.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center” - and I say “center” because anyone considering voting for Trump in the first place is not in the “center” and if they are, we’re worse off than I realized.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center”
Nothing I’ve seen while she’s been in office suggests she’s going to be anything but a Mitt Romney tier corporate hack.
She’s got a rich and eager pool of progressive voters to court - voters she was happy to pander to back in 2020 - who she has spurned since she became VP. She’s taken an outright reactionary stance on immigration. She’s abandoned any support of a public health insurance option. She’s all in on genocide in Gaza. She’s taking enormous amounts of money from Crypto banks and gig economy CEOs. She got an endorsement from Dick fucking Cheney, so you can guess where she stands on fossil fuels.
But she’s not Trump, so…
💯
Still hoping to be wrong though.
trump is back to leading in the polls, folks. pull your heads out of your asses.
Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.
Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this
Why?
Why does everyone have to get used to and just blindly accept that the system is shit and doesn’t serve them or make their lives any better?
Why are you so comfortable settling for so little?
Why don’t you want better for yourself, and worse, think you get to demand the same of others?
(I don’t need your answers, these are all for you and those who agree with you to ask yourselves)
Because people in office are individuals and morality is relatively subjective. The only politician who will do everything you want and believe everything you believe is yourself. Run for office.
Right, as if the system isn’t very deliberately designed to withstand reform and will not hesitate to weaponize every tool it has at its disposal (from the courts to the media to the police and the other alphabet agencies) to assure no leftist ever actually makes it in to a position of real power (not that we would want to, since we believe the state should be abolished, not joined, for precisely the reason stated above).
For the however many’th time, you die hard liberals can tell yourselves as many fairy tales you want to make yourself feel better, it won’t change the reality - the system is not designed to serve you, but to keep you placated with nothing but an illusion of choice. Those with power and money wrote the rules, what on earth, and at this point in time with history unfolding right in front of our eyes as it is, again, makes you think that following those rules will ever work in your favour?
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This is an imperfect world.
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Democracy is necessarily the function of creating coalitions of compromise between literal millions of people, all with different interests and concerns.
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Politicians, as a career, self-select for ambition and ego, and that comes with certain implications in even the best of them.
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Jesus fucking Christ, is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?
Look, I will tick the Kamala box. I do indeed believe that Trump is a bad candidate and will oppress many people. But I don’t want people to feel like this shit is normal. Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped. Or maybe even the 2000’s, when the War on Terror was thought to be conducted humanely. We have lived in an imperfect world before, along with millions of people, and politicians self-selecting for ambition and ego, and there was nobody calling to wipe an ethnicity off the face of the Earth. I’m not surprised at the Dem party, I’m surprised that there are fascists in the White House and I’m supposed to just accept it as a normal part of democracy. Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!
We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?
Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped.
Man, I can absolutely cite examples of both parties supporting genocides in that time period.
Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!
I… would count myself as an American patriot, but I’m pretty sure the US not committing ethnic cleansing is an extremely recent phenomenon.
We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?
Man, if you want to pour all your time and energy into this cause, unironically, go for it. But part of understanding just how vast and fucked the world is also requires one to accept and understand that we can’t fight every battle simultaneously. Hell, most battles aren’t even our’s to fight. And no amount of martyrdom from an individual can change either of those things. I’ve been calling the Israeli genocide for what it is for years now. I’m not exactly sitting here telling you to shut up about it. But we have to be realistic both about what we can achieve and about what we will sacrifice to achieve it.
You could sacrifice every waking moment of your life, every meal above the level of gruel, every social connection and personal property unrelated to the cause, all for the sake of a .0001% contribution to ending another country’s genocide, but the onus shouldn’t be on you to kill yourself to correct every sin in the world. At some point, it’s not on you or me as individuals.
Plus getting upset about this shit is fucking exhausting.
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Amen
In what world will a politician never disappoint you?
I’m generally in full control of myself and even I disappoint myself - fringe third party candidates is not the political messiah some people think they are.
In a world where “politician” isn’t a career, or even a thing that exists, and instead people make decisions communally and horizontally. It’s called anarchism.
You not knowing or being able to imagine alternatives, doesn’t mean none exist.
Being able to imagine alternatives doesn’t mean they’re realistic.
How realistic do you think this is?
I don’t understand how this is the argument against third party. Why does the candidate need to be the Messiah to be better than Kamala?
The question was why do we need to accept that politicians will disappoint you, implying that they had something they believed would not disappoint them.
I thought it was a third party candidate.
Apparently it was anarchism.
Rookie Lemmy mistake.
Cuz it’s democracy. If you wanted someone to be in office who would get everything done with no obstacles no roadblocks and no delays then you wouldn’t be looking at democracy you’d want a dictator. You can want that if you want but just be honest about it.
Lmfao, except you don’t have democracy. You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy. You also don’t have a government that is “getting everything done without obstacles”, but pretty much the literal fucking opposite. The fact that the only alternative you can imagine to the current (non democratic, slipping in to fascism) state of affairs is a dictatorship is a problem with your lack of imagination and narrow view of the world (though granted, you were heavily indoctrinated that way), not a reflection of reality, nor the array of other ways that society can not only exist, but thrive.
There was good reason I told you people to ask yourselves these questions - you are the ones standing in your own way with your insistence of living according to a full blown fallacy because you’re just comfortable enough with the way things are, and are too scared of change, specifically no longer holding the privileges the current system grants you in exchange for your compliance, and the idea that you might not have anyone to feel superior to.
Until you’re willing and able to face that within yourself, I can’t help you, nor am Interested in hearing the mental gymnastics you do to justify your actively maintaining the status quo. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Voters will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.
The difference is campaigns spend over a billion dollars these days and don’t even try to convince voters.
They do anything for donations to spend on fundraisers for more donations, and they just go round and round. Every revolution everyone involved skims a little.
If it costs over a billion dollars to beat trump in an election, maybe we should worry less about donations and more about votes.
Yeah, that too.
“To summarize the summary of the summary: People are a problem.”
Haha. That’s pretty good. The point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t make sense to me to hold voters to a higher standard of conduct than the politicians that they vote for.
The only politician who won’t disappoint you on every issue is yourself. Run for office. No joke. Use your rights. Vote. Speak. Run for office.
Not using those rights is functionally the same as not having them.
I doubt that. My dad got elected to a town council and was pretty disappointed about what the system let him accomplish.
Can you explain more?
One really good example is the stroad that’s preventing good bike infrastructure. The roads that are managed by the township have bike lanes - even if they’re not separated - but the stroad is a state route, so we have no bike lanes on the main connection between these lanes, and limited pedestrian infrastructure.
This is why we have kids getting bussed to the school that’s across the road from their house.
So how is that situation an argument against people running for office? Like jobs are meant to be challenging and work, it’s not like being elected then grants you a magic wand to seamlessly solve issues.
Because it sounds even more frustrating than just voting for someone.
It’s nit about frustrating or trolling people though. It’s about seizing power granted to you by law
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
I feel unrepresented.
Harris will continue to work with the DNC for major donors and against the people.
Trump is allowing Nationalist Christians to infiltrate the government.
Please give me a shame box too.
No need for shame. There is nothing wrong with how you feel.
Unfortunately the Democratic party became conservative and the Republican party went batshit insane because of it.
You could make this meme replacing Harris with Trump in the text and replacing Trump with Harris in the pictures and it would be exactly as true, which is to say, not.
It’s the GOP that increases their chance of winning the fewer voters vote. They actively try to suppress voters. The more people that vote the higher chance the democrats win
Regardless, not voting or voting third party is not a vote for either major party’s candidate, as the meme implies.
I’d be voting PSL if I got a vote at all
I’m 40yrs old. I voted for Hillary. I HATE the democrats, I HATE the republicans. Not once in 40yrs have they successfully reduced the budget, the closest was Clinton and we see how that turned out “erry budy gets a chek instead of healthy deflation”, both parties have ruled during severe drops in quality of living standards, both parties have to destroyed peoples lives with the failed war on drugs. Both parties are the finger puppets for the 1%. I refuse to play their game, we lose no matter what. Vote for your drug war baron that got famous for arresting people for marijuana possession. Vote for your conman that ruins small businesses by refusing to pay for their services. Both think you’re an idiot, and they can’t wait until your turn to be vulnerable to them. But sure, by not voting for the douche you are supporting the turd sandwich, in the same way by not getting a diesel gas car your supporting electric vehicles.
I understand why you and many other people are extremely reluctant to vote/against voting in this election. But I feel your analogy is incorrect.
By not voting for the
douchebloodthirsty democrat you are supporting theturd sandwichfascist and (more) bloodthirsty republican, in the same way that not pulling the lever is supporting the death of more people on the train tracks.Not buying diesel/gas car =/= inherent passive support for electric in any way, but in a two party system, in an election like this one, not voting, or not voting democrat directly increases
pedestrian train deathsthe odds of america falling to a fascist party with a plan. You can vote * and still protest, petition, and riot against the policies you dont like.“Ha ha, it’s so funny when minorities are hurt more because I don’t feel like the suffering of oppressed demographics matter!”
