If anyone can find more pixels for me i would appreciate it.
Thanks y’all.
What?
People where I am from call everyone “you guys” - men, women, trans, doesn’t matter, everyone is just “you guys” even when it’s a woman addressing a group of women.
The literal meaning isn’t gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.
As for “y’all” or “you all”, I don’t see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.
Dude is also situationally gender neutral. Saying “Hey dude” to a trans woman is misgendering her but exclaiming “Yo dude check this out!” or “Duuuude no way” is perfectly acceptable.
“You People” is the one to be avoided
“howdy fuckers” is the opposite as it sounds bad on paper but in practice it goes over well (except with middle aged moms)
Yeah I don’t see that one going over well anywhere
The literal meaning isn’t gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.
Unless you can ask a straight man how many guys he’s slept with, it isn’t gender neutral, no matter how resistant to this fact you are.
That’s how people use it, whether you like it or not. I did not invent the language, but that’s how people use it.
Saying “guys” on its own is also not the same thing as “you guys” in regions that do this.
You can shoot the messenger all you like but it is what it is and I have no power over how people in a region use a language, I am merely informing you of that fact.
I don’t see the issue with using the term “guys” in the plural when referring to a group regardless of sex. That would align with the definition of the word. I’m pretty sure that’s how they meant it.
Unless you can ask a straight man how many guys he’s slept with, it isn’t gender neutral, no matter how resistant to this fact you are.
E: the fact that neither of you give a shit about the people telling you the term isn’t gender neutral, doesn’t apply to us, and that we don’t feel comfortable with you using it to speak to or about us says it all. No matter how much mental gymnastics you do to convince yourself otherwise you are the ones choosing to be the problem instead of actually listening to others and showing some basic respect. It’s an easy fix, too - all you have to do is give a minimal fuck about others.
don’t feel comfortable with you using it to speak to or about us
This actually is relevant, but wasn’t part of your initial statement. If you don’t like people using the term to refer to you then people should absolutely make an effort to not use that term when referencing you.
Saying there’s some mental gymnastics on my part is a bit of stretch, it’s how the word is defined in the dictionary. All I needed was to read. There’s no disrespect here, if you don’t like it then using the term to refer to you would be disrespectful, but I haven’t done so.
As for “y’all” or “you all”, I don’t see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.
I think “we don’t take kindly to y’all” to a trans person would likely be offensive. Beyond that though, you’re probably okay.
“yall” is obviously not the problematic part of that sentence
I might as well double down while I’m here, “we don’t take kindly” was too aggressive wording.
I meant something more neutral like “I think y’all are weird”.
That way, the y’all is the problematic part. That was my point.
I mean … Thats just an all out threat with y’all acting as an exclusionary statement.
All in all agree with your point tho.
I mean, neither “you” nor “all” is a gendered term in any way
Y’all actually has gained particular traction in the north through the queer community. Most trans people I know use y’all even if their geographic location doesn’t indicate they should
As a non-english speaker, I appreciate «Y’all» 'cause it always bug me the absence of a way to reference more than one individual in English.
What you mean «You» is used to reference both one person and a crowd? English is fuck up.
Y’all is the opposite of offensive for trans people. I lived in the south for a while, and I now use y’all specifically to be inclusive. I wouldn’t say “you guys” is offensive to trans women, but I would say for me and likely other trans women it briefly brings to mind being misgendered in the past, so I would call it a small kindness to ube as gender neutral as possible.
Thanks comrade
Am I the only one who actually looked for more pixels for this guy?
Anywho, here you go my guy:
Edit: hmmm, Lemmy seems to be compressing it. Here’s a link.
I’m from “you guys” but I’ve lived in “y’all” and now I’m forever team “y’all,” regardless of where I’m living.
It’s the best export from the south, except maybe Texas brisket and pecan pie.
Youse LOL, almost lost it when I heard it one time
I have a VERY southern friend. He once said “y’all all”.
We are afraid to use common greetings now? How about we all refer to each other as “carbon units”?
There are pride buttons that say Y’all means all.
Having exported myself from the deep South to Yankee land, “Y’all have a good one!” never fails to brighten the day of someone working a cash register.
In general, folks up here really like southern politeness. They think sugar wouldn’t melt in my mouth. I get stopped in stores to talk all the time. Pretty frequently, they just give me a discount. I thought Yankees were supposed to be rude, but they’re actually really nice in public.
Y’all reminds me of the bible belt. I’m not transgender but I am queer and now and then it makes me uncomfortable.
Guess I’ll have to ask the person I’m addressing in the future.
Thanks comrade.
Queer people who live in the bible belt still say “y’all”. It literally means “you all”.
explaining the etymology doesn’t really change anything. I don’t know why you thought that would make me stop associating it with the bible belt.
I don’t know why you thought that would make me stop associating it with the bible belt.
I don’t remember saying anything like that. I just don’t get why being from the bible belt makes it offensive, since again, queer people in the bible belt use it too, and it doesn’t mean anything offensive. If regionalisms are offensive because of where they’re from, it makes me wonder how people feel about my accent.
Can “y’all” be singular, since there is “all y’all” for plural?
When talking about a group but only one individual of the group is present you can still use y’all.
No, you is the singular; y’all is the plural.
All y’all works because you might say “All of you all”, I suppose.
