Summary

President Joe Biden’s economic achievements—lowering inflation, reducing gas prices, creating jobs, and boosting manufacturing—are largely unrecognized by the public, despite his successes.

His tenure saw landmark legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, and major infrastructure investments.

However, Biden’s approval ratings remain low, attributed to inflation backlash, weak communication, and a media landscape prone to misinformation.

Democrats face a “propaganda problem” rather than a policy failure, with many voters likely to credit incoming President Trump for Biden’s accomplishments due to partisan messaging and social media dynamics.

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    I am so God damn sick of reading articles from pundits who think they can just numbers-and-statistics away people’s financial experience. Listen to this shit:

    America has recovered more quickly and more completely than almost any comparable country. As The Economist put it, “The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust.” Real wages have risen fastest for those at the bottom of the income scale. Today, inflation is at 2.4%, compared with the 9.1% peak in June 2022. The fight against rising prices has essentially been won.

    But few in the electorate seem aware…

    Wow, the electorate sounds like a bunch of dipshits. But just for the hell of it, let’s check their source for the wages of the bottom income scale. According to the Economic Policy Institute, real wages grew 13.2% between 2019 and 2023. Now, inflation was 19.2% during that period, but “real wage,” means, “wage adjusted for inflation,” so I guess the author is right. The lowest income earners got a raise during the Biden years. Guess the poor are a bunch of dipshits.

    But which of Biden’s policies led to these increases in wages? Well, the Economic Policy Institute says:

    Between 2019 and 2023, state-level minimum wage increases along with a tight labor market have translated into faster real wage growth for low-wage workers, particularly faster growth in states (and D.C.) that increased their minimum wage during this period.

    So, it sounds like the wages went up because of a competitive labor market (which the Fed intentionally killed to combat inflation) and minimum wage increases at the state level, and that states that increased their minimum wages saw more of that growth than others. So, you could make an argument that Biden deserves little credit for this increase, but let’s not even worry about that. Let’s see look at the minimum wage by state.

    The EPI has a handy Minimum Wage Tracker that color-codes states by their state minimum wage against the federal minimum wage. A quick glance shows you the states with the highest minimum wage are mostly states that went to Harris. But what’s really interesting is that, of the 7 key battleground states that Harris lost, 4 of them (Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin) have the same minimum wage as the federal minimum of $7.25, a starvation wage that hasn’t been raised since 2009. So it’s not unreasonable to assume that in more than half the key states Harris needed win saw the smallest share of that 13.2%, but did see prices increase by 19.2%.

    Now, I’m not an economist, and I don’t have hours to research this shit, so it’s entirely possible that I’m missing a lot of nuance regarding cost of living and non-minimum wage increases in these states. But that’s not the point. The point is that I’ve already spent more time and energy examining why people might not feel good about the economy than the sneering chud that wrote this article. And I’ll end this tirade with one last quote from the EPI report he cited:

    Wage rates remain insufficient for individuals and families working to make ends meet. Nowhere can a worker at the 10th percentile of the wage distribution earn enough to meet a basic family budget.

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      Young people have no hope of buying a house in my area.

      In my neighborhood all the drug store shelves are bare (Rite Aid) and there’s soon to be only one grocery store to choose from (Kroger).

      When I’m getting groceries the checkers are talking about how the store is going to close if the merger happens and they’ll all lose their jobs.

      No ‘media’ lied to me and convinced me that the economy is wack. I see it every day.

      What I’m not hearing in the media is recognition of working folks’ struggles. Failure to address this kept Dems home.

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        I’m really sorry to hear that. Would it help if I showed you a graph that shows the stock market is actually doing great?

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            Huh. I’m generally wary of any group that has an Eye of Providence in their logo or uses the term, “New World Order,” but that was cathartic to watch.

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              unfortunately something like this is not posted by any other channel popular enough to come up on shitty youtube search.

              the guy in the video is jose vega, he ran for congress as lrp candidate in nyd 15 and got about 2.5% vote.

              here is more detailed video on a more apt channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK0FivR_B1A

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                Oh, haha, that’s much more reassuring. I assumed it was someone affiliated in the channel, and I was like, “Uh-oh, how long before this guy launches into an antisemitic conspiracy theory about lizard people?”

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                  this made me realise how depressing it is when even lunatic channels have more relevant content for working class than our msm with 24/7 peddling of gaslighting bs.

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      As you rightfully note the relationship between federal economic policy and economic outcomes is complex and it’s not easy to tease apart cause and effect. Having said that Democrats have through history presided over MUCH better economic outcomes than Republicans, and Biden is no exception. Yet, voters consistently believe that (generic) Republicans are better for the economy than generic Democrats.

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        Democrats are broadly better, but they’ve created a lot of the conditions that are killing the working class now. Bill Clinton was the one who passed NAFTA, which was the biggest blow to manufacturing jobs in American history. Obama had a similar trade deal, the TPP, which most likely would have been equally devastating had Trump not killed it (which probably had more to do with his obsession with tearing down the achievements of the first black President than helping workers, but I doubt that mattered to the TPP’s opponents).

        Even when Democrats aren’t directly the result of harm, their solutions are no longer the grand, ambitious plans from their New Deal glory days. Take Obama’s promises to create a foreclosure prevention fund, which got whittled down to HAMP, a mostly impotent refinance scheme that seems to have been designed more for banks than borrowers (despite large Democratic majorities). I’m sure it was better than whatever the Republicans would have come up with, but I doubt that mattered to people who were two months behind on an underwater mortgage.

        Biden and Harris started with a strong vision, but they couldn’t get it through Congress and instead pivoted to telling people that actually, they were doing great, and the economy was good again. That will always be a losing message with people who aren’t doing well. The Democrats need to double down on a progressive message that does not compromise, with bold plans like a $20 minimum wage indexed to inflation, Medicare for All, and UBI. If they keep tinkering around the margins and giving people statistics when they say they’re doing poorly financially they will never be relevant again.

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          I agree with you that the Biden/Harris approach to economics is dead. There are virtually no voters left in the middle, so shifting to the right doesn’t help the Democrats like it used to. I also think the policies you propose will help a significant share of voters.

          The bigger issue is communication. If these policies aid a significant part of voters, how can we convince them of this in the face of the right wing propaganda machine? That battle is as important as the policy platform, and it’s a very tricky challenge to overcome.

          Another worry I have is that the Trump government will be more evil and less like a shitshow than his previous stint. Unfortunately, I think many voters will get behind evil stuff like rounding up migrants if it’s done in an organised manner.

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            I think you’re right about Trump. I think he was a shit-show last time because he didn’t expect to (or, in my opinion, want to) win, and now he has an apparatus that is set up to enable him. I’m very afraid of what a competent fascist movement looks like.

            Communication is certainly a problem for Democrats; Trump was able to talk for 3 hours on Rogan, while Harris went on Call Her Daddy for less than s full episode and told a well rehearsed anecdote I’d heard twice before. They’re too obsessed with legacy media and polish to sound authentic. But the platform has to come first. If they fix every problem with this campaign’s communication in 2028 but run another middle-class opportunity platform with Mark Cuban, they will lose.

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      I was just watching an interview last night. Maybe it was 60 Minutes, but they were talking to a woman about this. They told basically all this same info - inflation going down, gas going down, jobs increased, wages increased. The woman said, “I didn’t see any of that. My wage didn’t go up.” No idea what she does, if her job is eligible for a wage increase, but basically she was saying none of that impacted her personally or positively, so she voted for Trump.

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        Exactly. Democrats think that if they just tell people positive metrics enough times, these feelings will go away. They won’t. You have to look at them and say, “You’re right, things still suck for you. Things got better for a lot of people, but people like you didn’t see much of that because of [X] and [Y]. Here’s how we’re going to fix it.” Otherwise, they’re going to listen to anyone who tells them their problem is real, even a racist xenophobe that blames migrants for everything.

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          I think to some extent, Kamala said exactly how she planned on making things better. Trump didn’t say anything, and as usual had no plans. He still got elected. I saw an article last week about Trump saying not saying what his plans were helped him. What sense does that make, when a guy like Trump, who’s never had a plan or a rational suggestion to anything (“let’s nuke the hurricanes!”), can not say a damn thing about what his policies would be and still get elected? That tells me the Dems were drastically out of touch.

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            Dem technocrats are drastically out of touch and don’t realize how much aggrivement towards the status quo and desire for change there really is. Trump doesn’t do policy and it doesn’t matter because the people don’t care about policy either. We live in turbulent times, and there’s a groundswell of support for a nebulous ‘change’. Trump positioned himself as anti-establishment, persecuted, and radical in a way that was appealing enough to retain his voter base. Meanwhile, Harris’ institutionalism, focus on incrementalist policy, and boring rhetoric failed to galvanize support.

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              Spot on. When times are bad (whether actually true, or simply perceived that way) it should come as no surprise that the people voted for a change. Trump is the embodiment of “anti-establishment”. Progressives must take back the party from Neoliberals.

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            To some extent, yes, but it wasn’t the forefront of her campaign. She talked about greedflation and had a plan for price-capping groceries, but they should have been attacking this point from 2022, not the tail end of the campaign. She was far more focused on middle-class issues and an, “opportunity economy,” than the dire financial conditions of the working class.

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      Why did you bother mentioning the 19.2% inflation statistic if we’re talking about real wages?

      Your point is taken that Biden is not primarily responsible for the wage increases during his time in office, but he doesn’t have the power as president to unilaterally increase the federal minimum wage. He did sign an executive order increasing the minimum wage for federal employees and contractors which, while not having a significant impact on the wage growth nationally, is a step in the right direction.

      I realize your point is more that the author of this piece is a prick and he didn’t spend enough time trying to understand the bad economic vibes coming from the working class, but it seems like the Biden administration did a relatively good job guiding the economy through post COVID turmoil, which he (… And Harris by proxy) did not get any credit for. Would you agree with that?

      I’m a huge fan of “sneering chud” by the way. Will be forcing that into a conversation soon.

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        Why did you bother mentioning the 19.2% inflation statistic if we’re talking about real wages?

        Mostly so I could point out in the second to last paragraph that if you weren’t on the receiving end of that 13% wage increase (as I strongly suspect is the case for many people in GA, PA, WI and NC), then you took a 20% price increase to the face.

        I think the Biden administration did its best to push through the progressive platform that he ran on, and I think that they probably don’t get enough credit for that. I think Biden should have been more aggressive with Congress, especially in calling for the abolition of the filibuster early on, but I appreciate how much he did (or tried to do) through executive action. He was especially good on student loans, I honestly expected him to give up on that, but he didn’t.

        However, I think both Harris and Biden lost sight of the left-wing populist message that won them the White House in 2020. Harris especially pivoted towards a centrist, “economic opportunity,” platform instead of a, “here’s how government will help you,” message. I think small business tax credits and first-time homebuyer’s assistance are pretty out of touch when you’re trying to win over people who can’t afford groceries. She had some policies that were more targeted at the working class, but they were not the centerpiece of the campaign like these middle-class focused proposals.

        That being said, yeah, most of my rage here is being directed at the author of this piece. Glad you liked, “sneering chud,” I’m a little proud of that one.

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    Basically every American I personally know lives paycheque-to-paycheque as megacorps move in to bleed them dry on every front.

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      And people with exactly that mindset voted for Trump, despite his vowing to make everything worse with every single policy stance.

      • Raise your taxes while cutting for the Rich (AGAIN)

      • Tariffing many sectors and countries, making goods more expensive and destroying US manufacturing

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          Actually no, Trump deported and convicted less than Obama and Biden. Trump’s removal of holding time limitations for women and children and his removal of ICE’s criminal only focus meant resources were used up and almost always wasted.

          Trump is ineffective at everything he claims to be good for.

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            Are we talking about what he did last time or what he said he’s going to do this time?

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              His plans supposedly haven’t changed, just a repeat of last time but more and worse.

              He even already tried to overturn the election once before when he sent 84 fake electors to 7 states in 2020.

              He has repeatedly told us he is going to do everything he did before, again.

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        I mean, not really, but it’s only $10 so sure.

        Thank you, your $10/week subscription has been confirmed. Please call 10AM-3PM Eastern to upgrade or cancel your payment. We apologize in advance for the unusually long wait times.

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    Honestly Democrat are absolutely horrible at talking to people.

    I’ll be the first to admit, Biden did actually do a lot for workers but just like the leader of the painters union said, y’all fucking suck at telling people that.

    I mean look at the rail workers strike, Biden stopped the rail workers strike and didn’t address one of the biggest things they were looking for, just to be treated like humans and have sick leave.

    There was lots of talk about “doing this for the best of the nation”, which okay I could get behind, sure they got a wage increase but I did as shit could understand why rank and file would feel betrayed when they were asking additional to be treated as humans that get sick.

    What I didn’t hear him or anyone say to them directly, that he was still going to work with the unions afterwards to get sick leave in. Why would you not say that at the same time as you announce your blocking the strike? Cost you nothing to say you have their back.

    So then months later, with Biden administration support finally got the workers PTO but no one really knew about it because the moment was gone and honestly union leadership also did a shit job of getting that word out too.

    It’s not the only thing but it certainly is a big factor in things.

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      One angle that might explain the lack of media coverage on a win for the working class against the interest of capital owners is that the media itself, at least the mainstream slice of it, is owned by the capitalist class.

      MSM will cover things if they think it’ll bring in more ratings. You see it with how many news outlets are treating the upcoming Trump administration. For Cons, they’re banking on a viewer base that’ll be more interested in Trump coverage. For Dems, they’re banking on a viewer base that’ll be more hateful and agree of Trump coverage.

      So when you have wins for the working class that Biden’s administration directly helped with, and when you have a media industry that just won’t cover it out of their own self-interest, you have to wonder if the administration will spend Americans’ on advertising or just keep it and move on.

      One might say that the best time to do that advertising is during an election campaign though. And that begs the question as to why Biden nor Harris brought this up in their campaigns.

      Might it be that those groups are also subject to the capitalist class?

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    Voters are pretty stupid. Seriously, the misinformation and willful ignorance on display is breathtaking.

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    …no.

    The DNC brain trust thought they could get away with ignoring an absolutely fucking HUGE part of their base. And they were fucking WRECKED for it.

    Trump got just about the same number of votes as he did in the last election. Harris got 11M less votes than Biden got. ELEVEN. MILLION. PEOPLE. STAYED THE FUCK HOME. BECAUSE THEY SAW THE ESTABLISHMENT CIRCLEJERK. AND HARRIS FUCKING LEANED INTO IT. AND IGNORED THE VERY FUCKING REAL LIVED EXPERIENCE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS GETTING HOLLOWED OUT, AND THE LOWER CLASS CONTINUING TO GET CRUSHED TO DEATH.

    And now we get to listen to pundits and DNC leadership and Biden admin people and Harris campaign people circlejerk themselves about how it wasn’t their fault, it was those goddamn progressives and the stupid Arab Americans who cared about Gaza too much.

    Genuinely: fuck all the way off with that narrative. the Democratic Party snatched this defeat from the jaws of victory. There was a path to victory. They simply didn’t fucking take it.

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      I dunno been a republican and democrat voter throughout my life. The dnc did the right thing time by pointing democracy itself was on the line

      Apparently we have enough people in this country who simply cannot appreciate the rights we have.

      A bunch of really dumb Americanare about to realize what truly was on the line this time around.

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        You’re kinda missing the point of what I’m trying to say.

        The total number of Trump voters barely moved. As a fraction of the total populace, it actually probably slightly decreased.

        The total number of Democratic voters decreased by like 12%.

        The DNC alienated their own base. People stayed home, and it made a difference.

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        I dunno been a republican and democrat voter throughout my life. The dnc did the right thing time by pointing democracy itself was on the line

        By forcing a candidate down our throats that no one voted for

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    Consider this.

    A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

    We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.

    Americans. Are. Stupid.

    Our situation isn’t going to get better any time soon. For those of us who aren’t boomers, we’re basically locked into a lifetime of economic hardship.

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        I’m under no obligation to be kind to stupid people that degrade our quality of life with their ignorant decisions.

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          Don’t be. Being an asshole wins elections. They are deplorable and they are making you be this way. It’s their fault. If they were just to follow the rules you wouldn’t be an awful person. You’re a hero.

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      Holy shit, a true clown-troll account made specifically because of the results of a political election. Get a fucking life or even just a singular hobby to better waste your time with.

      The working class didn’t come out in droves, it was the same fucking numbers. Republicans are taught at a very young age it was their duty to vote, it’s ingrained in a lot of the family structure while the left/progressive stems more from active engagement and a distrust in the political system.

      If you think Biden stepped down just because he was “too old”, you slept through the past year. It was a valid concern and still is as the sitting administration, it’s even more concerning we’re about to have the oldest elected person in history in fucking 2024.

      Economics hardship was already here, that’s probably what pissed me off the greatest about this last election cycle. “They’re going to come after us if you don’t vote!” removed, hey’ve been coming for us, everyone is just pretending it’s important now.

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        Holy shit, a true clown-troll account made specifically because of the results of a political election.

        Lol. I created this account the day after the election because I know the cesspool Reddit is about to become (already kind of was). Your little whiny bitch opinion about why I’m here means jack shit to me, loser.

        The working class didn’t come out in droves

        Millions of people is droves, you dumbfuck. Working class people came out in droves and voted for a guy that’s openly anti-worker. That happened.

        If you think Biden stepped down just because he was “too old”

        He was pressured to step down for two reasons. Because he was old and because his handling of the Palestine issue made a lot of young voters uncomfortable. And after the debate, it was mainly the age thing. If you believe otherwise, you are living in an alternate reality. Then we proceeded to replace him with another equally old person. Americans making a lot of sense on that one.

        Economics hardship was already here

        And now it will get worse.

        So anyway, go fuck yourself.

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    Democrats need to be louder in blaming the people at fault. Harris should have been screaming about the economy Obama left Trump vs the economy Trump left Biden. She should have been screaming that from day 1!

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      They should have been screaming about it four years ago. Biden chose to take the high road and not talk about the previous administration.

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        And Obama tried to take the high road too. And for 8 years republicans grew a huge population of people that learned to blame democrats for everything. Now it’s just second nature to most people to hate democrats.

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          We’ve had like 25y of limp dick Dem moral high road at this point and it should be clear that this approach doesn’t sell to anyone except the educated minority. Guess what? The educated are a minority and you need a majority to win elections.

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    Americans are misinformed because the media has been destroyed by financial incentives and the capital class.

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    Opinion: I Lost Because I Didn’t Do Anything Wrong and Have no Lessons to Learn

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    Same shit as always, the (relative) left actually does make an attempt to keep its promises but no on hears about it because the right wing own 90% of the media.

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      I swear for every positive story about something Biden did, there were 3 or 4 about Trump just being Trump: saying some outrageous lie, gaffes, and of course all the crimes. He’s sucked all the air out of the room for 10 years and now we’re going to have another 4. All news, positive or negative, is publicity.

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      the (relative) left actually does make an attempt to keep its promises

      If you didn’t learn the lesson that this isn’t true in the last 4 years then all hope is lost

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    Biden (and the rest of us) is being punished for the mistake of not making prosecuting trump and overturning his last 4 years the #1 priority.

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    Marginally addressed. Like I get it. He’s better than Trump, but so is 50% of the average person I see outside. There is no effectively addressed, when we know the tested, studied, and actually implemented solutions.

    For example: The ACA. Yes an improvement from what came before but a quarter baked bandaid on the bullet wound of a health care system. We know universal health care system is the answer. It’s a fact. The Democratic party never once made that a core part of their platform. Even if you know you won’t get everything when working in a democracy you still have to argue from a far left position so when you compromise it’s a stronger shift. The middle ground between universal health care coverage and 100% free market is the public option. Where Americans can decide between government coverage or private. But the ACA essentially forced everyone above the poverty line into private insurance held up by government subsidies.

    Another example: instead of being 100% anti genicide the Democrat leadership landed on reducing the sizes of bombs given to Isreal?! What’s the middle ground between the 100% pro genicide party and the 75% genicide party? Ya ones better but if we land on a compromise of 87% genicide, did we really achieve anything?

    Income inequality: Republicans 100% pro oligarchy Democratic party leadership is 75% pro oligarchy. The party of facts and science knows our economy with collapse every 20 to 30 years to keep the jinga Tower from crumbling to the foundation so what do they do? Bail out the companies that destroyed the economy in the first place and reset the lopsided tower. If we bail out a company why shouldn’t it also be nationalized?!

    I can keep going on. Every issue the Democratic party’s solutions are little more than the queen saying, “let them eat cake.”

    I live in a solid blue state and surround myself with far left people because we’ve realized, expecting the federal government to improve your life is a fools errand. We’re building our own bubble of compassion, science, and facts. Yes we vote blue but know the only change we can truly make starts by getting involved in our community and surrounding ourselves with those that will fight from a strong position and not a already right leaning position. If we’re going to die it’ll be with a Molotov cocktails in one hand and surround by those that actually care about each other. Opposed to at the feet of the oligarchy begging for crumbs.

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      There is no effectively addressed, when we know the tested, studied, and actually implemented solutions.

      They handled the post-covid period better than virtually any other major nation in the world. With no inflation, with a low unemployment rate, without a recession. But people voted for a guy who aims to impose tariffs. You can’t make this shit up.

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        Yuppy, they got 1 out of 10000 issues right. But did they continue using that as a springboard to get other things right? Nope.

        No inflation? Yes, but did they investigate companies that price gouged during the pandemic? Very little to none.

        Low unemployment? But are those high quality jobs that would lift people out of poverty? Nope.

        Recession? Not for those at the top. Us normal people have been in a 30 year recession.

        Everyone knows that if the Democratic party was just as ravenous as Republicans but for left policies our country would be better off.

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          I don’t know what people expect from US presidents. Do they think they are watching Harry Potter or something? Do they expect him to wave his wand and solve all their problems? Go read about the other political branches and their roles. It’s ridiculous.

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            Uhhhhhh no. But people are mad that the democrats are starting on the 50 yard line and meeting the Republicans on their 25 yard line.

            No one thinks their political wishes will be granted automatically if they win an election. The problem is One party is willing to do anything and everything in their power to achieve what their base wants, while the other won’t even give their base a seat at the table. It’s even more of a problem when the democrats demand loyalty and then cry when the people most likely to vote for them just stay home one election day. Look at all the popular policies that the democrats won’t even put on their platform. It’s crazy to think people are naive and dumb when they are going to lose regardless.

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          This is shaping up to be “why didn’t they do everything, everywhere, all at once”.

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            Your argument would actually make sense if the president had to do things by themselves and didn’t have access to millions of people and Trillions of dollars. Once again they never even put left ideals in their platform let alone tried to get any of them done. Grow up dude. Like I said no one is neive to think they’ll get everything they want when it comes to politics. But when your party is already standing on the middle line and meeting the other party on 3/4th of the way, it’s a problem.

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              It’s more that Congress passes laws, and legislation takes time to write. You have to figure out what each individual congressman will pass and write it out in excruciating detail.

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                Ya and what have the democrats accomplished over the past 30 to 50 years? It doesn’t matter which branch they are in. At every level and field the Democratic party has grossly under delivered. Even their most left and progressive policies have been water downed to the point that they are unrecognizable as left policies. What truly left policy has been signed into law at the federal level? I honestly can’t think of one.

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                  Now you’re shifting gears, which we can address. Ok the Dems need all 3 of presidency, house of reps, and senate to pass pretty much anything. That’s how it works. And they’ve had all 3 for, drumroll please, 4 of the last 24 years. Or 6 of the last 32 years. Or 6 of the last 44 fucking years. And you wonder why progress is slow? It’s because Dems basically never have power. If they don’t have all 3 they are forced to reach across the aisle. If you want things to progress you need to give them overwhelming and consistent victories.

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    This is not a messaging problem it’s a measurement problem. The metrics we use to gauge economic progress and/or health are not effective indicators of anyone’s experience but the wealthy. When Dems tell me wages have gone up so income inequality is getting better what they mean is that new jobs are on average offering slightly higher pay to new hires.

    They don’t say that slightly higher pay is 5 cents an hour which is practically useless. They don’t acknowledge that this tiny wage increase is dwarfed by the impacts of inflation over the last 4 years. Worst of all, they don’t say that because this wage increase only applies to new hires, anyone working the same job for more than a couple of years hasn’t seen a wage increase at all, but that price gouging has definitely impacted them. That last one is important because it applies to a huge chunk of people.

    This is just the way it works out with wages but basically everything these pundits are saying is great under Biden could be described the same way. They’re talking about averages which when applied to 330 million people produce numbers that sound significant, but when you look at almost any individual it doesn’t make a practical difference in their lives. Sure, you may have slowed the rate at which things are getting worse, but are you honestly surprised at this reaction? You’re telling people you solved their problems and they’re responding “no, you absolutely did not and fuck you for saying that”

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      Yeah this shit is insane. We fixed inflation! Great, that’s great, but where are our, meaning the working class, 25% raises to offset the inflation that already happened? I’ll be up for my second raise in three years in 6 months. It’s already promised to be 7% which will beat inflation (and I plan to fight for more), but I would need 25% to get my pay to be worth the same as it was three years ago before my first raise.

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        Absolutely, and to be clear, this does not imply that Trump has a good solution to this problem. He’ll probably make it significantly worse. But at least he’s talking about it in a way that resonates with people. Don’t tell me my problem is that I don’t understand my own financial situation. Show me how you plan to improve it in ways that I actually care about.

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      Voters have shifted right because they’re hurting, and the Dems promised 4 more years of the same. Trump promised to remove the elites and actively tear the country they created apart. That’s why they voted for him. The fact that’s it’s a lie and they’re stupid to believe it doesn’t matter. Telling people the economy is doing great while they are poorer than they were 4 years ago pushes them away.

      Liberals lost ~15 million former voters and handed America to a fascist dictator, and all they’ve done is blame the left and stick their head in the sand, as though the population didn’t just vote to tear the status quo apart. They did the same thing in 2016. They won’t get another chance, and they still don’t understand that.

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        Voters have shifted right because they’re hurting

        I don’t believe this is the case.

        • The Democratic Party took many steps rightward in Harris’ campaign (border security, death penalty, cheney).

        • Trump barely increased his vote count from 2020, like mayyybe 40k more votes?

        • 15 million Dem voters from 2020 didn’t vote at all this time rather more people voting R.

        • Leftist voices within the DNC spoke urgently and stridently about the DNCs need to listen to its left base more or face backlash.

        You got it backwards, the DNC misread the people and shifted to the right of its own base