This is extremely misleading. Fuck Trump 10000 times and kamala is the only sane choice, but stop trying to paint over reality to try and make her look like she’s not just a lesser evil.
She didn’t just “not promise to solve 1000 year conflict” (which the genocide has been going on for the last 75 years),
she did promise to continue funding genocide with American taxpayer dollars. (Of which the US has been giving and average of $5 billion in tax dollars and weapons to Isreal per year for the last 75 years, since they first invaded Palestine).
We are voting for her because she is the lesser evil. We don’t have to be happy about it or stop criticizing her on her bad policies.
Basically: Vote for Harris, but also fuck her for vowing to continue funding genocide. Trump would also keep funding genocide, and he’d also destroy what’s left of the west, on top of every other obvious reason he should never be in power again (and never should have been).
OP consistently makes posts that only divide the Dem base.
Considering they started out with AI posts lying about early voting, I guess it’s an improvement?
Western settler-colonialism is not “a 1,000 year conflict.” It’s a modern imperialist project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialismWhat 1000 year conflict? The nakba was less than a century ago. Plus “please stop giving 2000 pound bombs to Israel to commit a genocide with” is a very far cry from “please end the Israeli apartheid state”.
Memes get a pass when it comes to outright lies… I guess.
Nobody expects Kamala to solve it. They do expect her to stop supporting genocide.
Ah yes, opposing genocide is a radical far-left position. Of course.
Dude seems to think they’re part of some secret grassroots movement of genocide haters that no one else has ever heard of or something.
Congratulations! You’ve just proven the meme.
Your inability to understand the complexity of the situation and your desperation to boil it down into a small, singular point demonstrates it perfectly.
Everyone here knows you don’t care one whit about genocide, BananaBrain.
You aren’t raising money for any political action group or charity. You won’t go door to door or work a phone bank to raise awareness. You won’t do ONE. SINGLE. THING. to actually make a difference.
Each night you go to bed, you’ll smile thinking about all the comments you wrote on Lemmy that day, and how many people must be so impressed by your noble anti-genocide stance, all while Trump turns the remaining Palestinian territory to glass.
Ah yes, this is definitely a simple conflict with an easily identifiable black-and-white solution.
First and foremost, this isn’t a 1000 year war. It’s a bit over 100 years at most. The colonization of Palestine started around 100 years ago. Israel was founded in 1948.
Secondly, Kamala isn’t working towards achieving shit. Her government is literally still sending weapons to Israel as Israel is shooting at UN peacekeepers, burning people alive, attacking five different countries, and much more worse.
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The jews are not Israel but Israel definitely wants people to keep conflating them that way.
No, but there were Jews in that area. And even more Jews all over the peninsula.
How many of them were Israeli?
They were Old Yishv, they were part of the foundation of Israel.
Are they the same as the Yishuv who collaborated with the Nazis?
Unironically I’ve heard this talking point before, when shouting down a nazi at a rally at my school in 2014. You know the english spelling of Yishuv so I’m going to assume you know what demographic they’re from, and that that’s not physically possible. You can down vote me all you like, but at least I can say I don’t agree with nazis
There are still indigenous Palestinian Jews in Palestine (and some are still anti-Zionist), and the “non-Jewish” Palestinians are for the most part simply the descendants of Palestinians who at some point converted from Judaism to Christianity or Islam.
“Land without a people” my ass.
I agree. Those who care about Palestine should vote for Kamala because Trump is fully pro-genocide; but implying that Kamala has a valid plan, or even an existing plan, to help Palestinians, is untrue. She’s going to do nothing or as little as possible.
The choice is between evil and more of the same, it’s not between good and evil.
This breaks rule 2. “No misinformation” Israel is not a 1000 years old it is less than 100 years old
Stop killing Palestinians is such a far left position man. I can’t even. Americans are effing weird.
“Stop killing Palestinians” is a pretty popular Democrat position.
“I will hand the country over to someone who wants to kill more Palestinians faster” is a Leftist position.
No it really isn’t lol
This is just pro Israeli propaganda. This specific conflict started in 1948. The whole UN has voted against Isreal. And you’re telling me that that region will have all out war if Israeli troops stopped killing children? GTF outta here.
Trump would be a disaster for the middle east. He wouldn’t even be good for Israel. Sure, he’d support Israel now, but Trump loves strongman leaders, and there are plenty of them in the middle east, so he’d love Netanyahu, but he’d probably also cozy up to any other regional strongmen and destabilize things even more.
But, the Biden/Harris admin has been effectively sponsoring the genocide by giving military aid to Israel. It’s clear that Israel is the biggest military power in the region, and it has been for decades. It has no need for military aid. The best way to help civilians is to make Israel afraid to piss off its neighbors. Right now it’s convinced it could beat them in any war, so it’s happy to grind the Palestinians into dust, daring Iran, Egypt, etc. to interfere.
Yes, it’s a complex geopolitical issue, and an all-out regional war would put many more civilians in danger, not just the Palestinians. But, giving military aid to Israel while they engage in genocide isn’t a good way to prevent a regional war.
Even if you’re a single-issue voter who doesn’t care about women’s reproductive health, doesn’t care about the rule of law, doesn’t care about free speech, doesn’t care about corruption, and is only 100% focused on the fate of Palestinians, even then you should be voting for Harris. Even if you don’t like her policies, there’s still a slight chance she’d listen to reason once elected. Trump would be an utter disaster.
The best way to help civilians is to make Israel afraid to piss off its neighbors.
But you see, Israel existing at all is what pisses off its neighbors and that will never change no matter what they do or don’t do.
That may be, but currently those neighbours pose very little danger to Israel, so Israel is free to do things like settle in occupied lands and more recently, flatten Gaza and kill tens of thousands of Palestinians.
This is classic liberal brain worm nonsense.
Blue maga cultists world rather blame leftists than get your shitty candidate in line with her genocidal policies.
It’s not a difficult situation to resolve: stop supplying Israel with weapons and support.
In southeastern Michigan I have the luxury of voting for candidates at various levels of government who do oppose supplying Israel with weapons.
In the presidential election, where is the leverage?
“Blue MAGA” is Russian propaganda. “Cultist” is GOP projection lmao
The majority of people want an end to the Unconditional Military Support of Israel. That is the requirement for the US to abide by US and International Humanitarian Law as well. It’s not that complicated. You can’t say you want to support civilians on both sides when you provide one side with the weapons used to commit genocide against the other unconditionally.
The argument for people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris, is that Trump will not only be much worse than the current administration, but will not be able to be swayed by public pressure in the same way Harris might be. The harm reduction argument is true for domestic policies, but is meaningless for foreign policy when the current administration is assisting Genocide.
Harris is significantly more likely to be pressured to change course from public pressure than Trump, that is the right argument for getting people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris despite the current administration’s policy. Because the fight doesn’t end after the election, but the fight will be much more difficult under a Trump administration.
The argument for people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris, is that Trump will not only be much worse than the current administration, but will not be able to be swayed by public pressure in the same way Harris might be.
It’s also the “current administration”. I’d imagine that despite all of the people pretending otherwise (and kind of buying the “She’s Biden”, weak-ass attack line from the Trump camp), a Harris-Walz administration will not be exactly the same as the current Biden-Harris one.
The vice presidency is largely a ceremonial role, and she has to walk a fine line while campaigning for the job of POTUS to not criticize the “current administration” that she’s nominally part of and therefore is not likely to break with it very much publicly, but I would find it utterly unsurprising if she charted a completely distinct course from Biden on many issues when she assumes the role.
So far there has been no good evidence she would be less supportive of Israel. Different policies can go both ways
I hope you’re right, but I’m concerned that Harris not breaking from Biden on his unpopular positions is seriously hurting her chances to win the election right no. It’s a way closer race than it should be
It’s the wrong reason, but Trump seems to dislike giving american money to anyone, and so does his base, so that is a possible point of pressure
Nah, Trump loves getting money from Israel. He would totally accelerate the genocide for that. Trump only cares about Trump.
But he’s using the same tactic as in 2016, where he’s trying to come off as the peace candidate and frame his opponent as a warmonger. That’s why he’s only talks about it as if he’ll ‘end the war’ and leave any details out about how he’ll actually do so (more Genocide). It only works because of the terrible policy of the Biden Administration right now on Israel. If Harris pivoted and went for Conditional Aid, it would destroy that framing and give massive gains to Harris in this race
Why so much Occasional Capitalization of Random Words?
It’s the polite way to emphasize words. But also in ideological discussions there’s just so many nouns.
That’s…no? That’s not at all how to emphasize words. Only proper nouns are capitalized. Italics, bold, and underline are how to emphasize.
You’re thinking about academic writing. Informal, marketing, opinion pieces, and really most other forms of writing allow for capitalizing as a less intrusive way to emphasize. Heck the military goes full bore and capitalizes the entire word for key terms and names.
Because those are proper nouns. It has nothing to do with emphasis.
Key terms are not always proper nouns. The intent is to be able to see the headline, scan the piece and read the in depth parts only if you need to. So it could look something like,
Status of Farming Co-op in Opforistan East
We assess this project to be RED because of missing heavy equipment. Local Civil Affairs unit reports they believe OPFOR elements are involved. State department asset concurs this project is infeasible due to ENEMY ACTION.
Then add like, 30 sentences of details I don’t care to replicate right now. But the idea is as this report goes up the chain everyone can see the status, and the general reason why. Generally you’re going to capitalize who, what, why, where, and when if the title doesn’t make it clear. So missing here would just be when. But that could also just be the time of the report.
Military writing is weird and follows different conventions than normal writing. That’s absolutely not how you write prose.
More like:
Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US
vs.
Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US
I’d tack on:
but explained in a more presidential, civil fashion.
to option 2
“Muh bothsidez!”
Oh yes. This will surely win over those far left voters.
It’s too late for that. They’ve been shown the information necessary to make the right decision. At this point there’s nothing left to do but hope for the best.
I know Lemmy isn’t the place to speak badly of anyone far to the left, but honestly?
If they aren’t going to be persuaded to vote Harris by the other side of the ticket, I’m not optimistic they’ll be persuaded by people on the Internet being sweet and polite to them.
So imo, who gives a shit about insulting them? It’s pretty clear OP wasn’t intending a post like this to win hearts and minds.
Depends on the instance. Lemmy.world loves to punch leftists.
I’d prefer to punch fascists, but you keep getting in the way.
Brilliant! Loved this!
This isn’t what’s happening, though. The Dems and Reps are aligned on Israel because it isn’t a moral issue, but economic, which is why Biden has given Israel everything they want, including approving the invasion of Lebanon. The US supports Israel as a settler-colonial project because it helps the US secure power in the region, securing the Petro-Dollar as the world currency. This is how the US exploits the Global South, through predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.
Read To Stop Marx, They Made Zion. The genocide of Palestinians is for economic reasons, it cannot stop without a One-State Solution.
