Critics question US vice president’s meetings with handpicked community members without change in Middle East policy.
  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    336·
    2 个月前

    There’s so many things Kamala can do to guarantee she wins…

    Taking a stand against genocide is just one of them, but she just keeps going to the right.

    It’s the exact opposite of what voters want, but exactly what donors want and why they’re donating.

    Shit won’t get better until we at least get dirty money out of our party.

    • rsuri@lemmy.world
      76·
      2 个月前

      The following are all true:

      1. Supporters of both Israel and Palestine are, by default, likely to vote Democrat
      2. Both of them also are likely to consider the conflict their one issue of primary importance, where they cannot imagine voting for someone who supports the other side.
      3. There is no way to please all of them.

      This is simple logical arithmetic. The best strategy is to say nothing, and not piss anyone off. Because if you choose to piss off one side and support the other, you’ll end up making the other go to Trump or decide to stay home. And if that happens, it’ll be Miriam Adelson deciding the policy and that means Israel takes both Gaza and the West Bank and expels everyone they don’t like.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldOP
        102·
        2 个月前

        There is much evidence to show that is not true. Harris changing position on Gaza to support withholding weapons would only be a gain of voters. Polling shows as much as 6 points if not more, which is significant, especially with the race this close. And especially in swing states like Michigan.

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        Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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        In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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        Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

        Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

        • rsuri@lemmy.world
          47·
          2 个月前

          These are all interesting polls and slightly more supportive of changing Israel policy than I would’ve expected, but they don’t really answer the key question: if Kamala came out and announced a key change to the relationship with Israel, like withholding military aid, would her numbers improve or get worse? The top poll doesn’t really answer it because the Biden administration clearly has been trying to make a ceasefire happen, without success. So 49% represents the current reality.

          I’d also point out that in the second poll, 13% of Democratic voters support more weapons for Israel. If Kamala loses 13% of Democrats, or even a quarter of that number, this election is over.

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldOP
            82·
            2 个月前

            The critical part of the first poll is the halt of arms sales to Israel, that is what gives the Democrats a +6 boost.

            The third poll (which I think you meant) still shows that twice as many Democrats want to reduce weapons sent compared to those who do. Although, I’m not sure we can reasonably say those 13% of Democrats would no longer vote for Harris if she did change her policy on that. Would that also imply that those 28% of Republicans also switch to Harris? I don’t think that would be true either.

            The second poll, which deals with swing states, shows that people are not deciding to not vote Democrat because of the current policy. To the extent that a change in policy would make ~35% of those swing state voters would be more likely to vote for the Dems compared to the ~5% that would be less likely.

            The 4th poll shows a 5% increase from a chance in policy, similar to the first.

            The 5th shows how Biden’s handling of the war, the calls of a ‘ceasefire’ that never materializes while the US continues to send more and more weapons, is one of his most unpopular positions.

  • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
    192·
    2 个月前

    “Please vote for me! I will do anything but stop supporting genocide of people abroad who share your religion.”

  • distantsounds@lemmy.worldEnglish
    102·
    2 个月前

    Moreover, Harris often stresses that her support for Israel is “unwavering”. She has been part of an administration that has overseen unconditional support for the brutal war on Gaza, and recently, she welcomed Israeli escalation in Lebanon.

    When asked recently what she would have done differently from Biden, Harris said “not a thing that comes to mind”, stressing that she has been part of the decision-making process at the White House on most important issues.

  • Sarmyth@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 个月前

    I think an often overlooked group of Americans are those that just don’t give a shit about the middle east. From their perspective it full of assholes led by groups that hurt women and minorities. Religious kooks that are constantly commiting acts of terrorism around the world, and actively regressing year after year. Every attempt to “help” in the area makes everything worse.

    I’m from a hugely diverse, well educated, part of the US and growing up the same joke about the middle east was used for the last 40 years. “They should just glass the whole region if they ever want to see peace in the middle east.”

    It goes without saying everything about that is terrible.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldOP
      31·
      2 个月前

      Islamophobia is normalized in America, especially since 9/11. The dehumanization of people in the Middle East is intentional in order to Manufacture Consent for US Foreign Policy in the Region, especially since the Iraq War. Plus the extent of our Military Operations are barely even touched on if at all.

      This Genocide in Gaza has been a notable exception, it’s difficult for US News Outlets cover the News and paint our Ally Israel in a good light when it’s been a year of daily Human Rights Violations done by our Ally with our Unconditional Military Support