White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.
Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.
White capitalism
This is just called capitalism.
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Capitalism and slavery are incompatible.
Why not? Capitalism is private control over the factors of production - it’s not “equal freedom” or anything like that. The American South was capitalist during chattel slavery.
And that’s not even getting into wage slavery.
Capitalism is private control over the factors of production
If someone is legally exercising force over someone else, they are a de facto entity of the state.
Are you just making up phrases at this point? Show us where in the definition of capitalism that human rights exist.
From DuckDuckGo:
- An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
- An economic system based on predominantly private (individual or corporate) investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and wealth; contrasted with socialism or especially communism, in which the state has the predominant role in the economy.
- A socio-economic system based on private property rights, including the private ownership of resources or capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
- A socio-economic system based on the abstraction of resources into the form of privately-owned capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
- A specific variation or implementation of either such socio-economic system.
- An economic system based on private ownership of capital.
This isn’t necessary for all of them, but from Wikipedia:
A state is a political entity that regulates society and the population within a territory.
Slave masters are regulators of population, so they are an actor of the state.
Yep, capitalism is inherently statist. Ancapistan is just a bunch of little states.
Controlling yourself means you have monopoly on force on yourself, meaning you are a state consisting of just yourself? Sounds like a pretty chill state.
Capitalism is private control over the factors of production
Capitalism is private control over the factors of production
Controlling yourself
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I’m just going to assume this is sarcastic, because I refuse to believe that anyone actually believes this, even eager capitalists, themselves.
If it’s somehow not sarcastic, you are either ridiculously ignorant about the world and it’s history, or blatantly lying.
It is not sarcastic
I think it’s fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.
I would imagine that anyone familiar with his story, that happens to have any semblance of critical thinking skills, feels the same way.
Anyone who has both characteristics above, and still dismisses Fred Hampton’s assassination as justified, is an enemy.
You know that’s really a brilliant rebuttal.
Your first (and only) premise is highly vulnerable. Socialism and cancer are two different things.
Thank fuck.
White people get pegged for rich people bullshit too much.
FD Signifier is THE youtuber that i listen to on black issues, and this reminds me a lot of this video
Or maybe race doesn’t really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along
Not to imply that ethnic/cultural tensions never existed before in history, but capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression, and of pitting working class people against each other.
capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression
Except that is simply not true. Capitalism is far more recent that racism, unless of course you define capitalism as just “everything bad”. Racism exist because of tribalism and collectivism, capitalism is a recent individualist system- and individualism amongst governments is fairly recent.
I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think. You may be thinking of industrial capitalism, which is a more recent development.
Historical Foundations of Race
American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.
I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think.
No that’s pretty recent, racism is millennia old. Furthermore, yes mixed economies exist, actually now they’re basically the only thing that exists.
American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.
I disagree that it was capitalism that needed racism to be justified, since slavery is anti-capitalistic. But yes, fake “racial science” was used to justify slavery, that however was not the origin of racism. Roman and Greek and many other empires used ethnic/racial division to justify their oppression. Even the Mongols whose empire was “cool and accepting” by ancient empire standards still had strong sentiments of a Mongol race being different from others.
Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.
Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain’s beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we’ve done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.
Capitalism or socialism or anything else is irrelevant when most people are dumb, easy to manipulate and ready to harm others. There will always be someone willing to be a leader of these people, harming others to gain something.
“I am 14 and this is deep” material here. No analysis of anything, no thoughts, just an edgy nothingburger.
What about Socialism is “irrelevant” if most people are “dumb?”
That they still fall for the same manipulation as anyone else.
That’s not an answer, lmao
How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did. Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events. They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated. Some their whole life without ever knowing any different. The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.
How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did.
No. Read Blackshirts and Reds. Socialism doubled life expectancied in Russia and China, it saved millions of lives.
Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay.
They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated.
Your fanfiction isn’t reality.
The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.
You do realize that you are more propagandized, right?
Mate, live expectancy went up because of general improvements due to better tech. Everywhere, just a little sooner or later depending on how quick they went from the classic farmers to more modern agriculture, medicine etc.
My fanfiction is what happened and happens all over the world. Why do you think the Japanese thought they are so much better and committed atrocities? Because of their genes? What about the Nazis? What about the Americans genociding Indians? Australians the aboriginals? Etc. etc. all over the world throughout history.
How am I “more propagandized” when I point out that these things exist? Explain.
Socialism is a cancer and Capitalism is, uh what cures cancer?
