J.D. Vance grew agitated after a mild fact-check on his comments about immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.
  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    57·
    2 months ago

    The idea that these putzes whine about being fact-checked. This is where we are at.

    And this from the bunch that wear shirts that say things like “fuck your feelings” and “facts don’t care about your feelings”. Then they melt the very second a fact shows up to negate their feelings about their fictions.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    172·
    2 months ago

    Looks like the source changed the headline on you:

    “J.D. Vance Lashes Out After the Smallest Fact-Check in V.P. Debate”

    If you could update yours, that would be great!

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
      62·
      2 months ago

      I agree.

      If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive.

      Post should be removed as it is currently.

      Edit: Apparently the site changed the title not the OP. https://lemmings.world/comment/11113006

      I’m not sure if there’s a way to know without checking.

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        I’m not sure if there’s a way to know without checking.

        There’s not, but I still had a post removed for it. (Worse, after I’d agreed to change it when notified, but not cheerfully enough or something.)

  • stoly@lemmy.world
    448·
    2 months ago

    I watched the whole thing. Nobody freaked out. Stupid headline.

    Edit: title doesn’t match the real headline.

  • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1289·
    2 months ago

    No. Republicans loved that Vance pushed back here.

    This is not the win yall think it is.

    Walz did fine. Not as good as JD Vance but I at least wasn’t expecting Walz to do as well as JD Vance. Yall got the election if you keep the topic on Trump. Don’t get distracted here, especially when its an L or at best, stalemate on your image.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      27·
      2 months ago

      Y’all might be brainwashed… Or perhaps you have a brain worm? That’s actually an official, well-documented thing omongst Trump endorsers these days.

      • 5oap10116@lemmy.world
        71·
        2 months ago

        Unfortunately it’s not about who was the most honest or had the best ideas. It’s about who was more “convincing” to a “blank slate”. When one person has zero problem saying anything to support their point even if its complete bullshit, it’s easy to be more convincing. I still think debates should happen but it’s sad that the Republicans “win at all costs” mentality elevates quick talkers who will lie to your face and make up disingenuous arguments without a care in the world. Something something about a pig in the mud and wrestling it…

        Sorry about all the air quotes but it’s hard to talk about this stuff without them.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        To be completely fair, I think Vance lying through his teeth lost less red followers than Walz saying expanding Israel’s influence was a necessity lost blue followers.

        I’m still never going to vote for another Republican, but that was an absolutely horrible way to start the debate.

      • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        754·
        2 months ago

        Convince people. The quick polls are already in.

        Walz is fine though. I don’t remember any mistake honestly. But the numbers are in already. We can say solidly that JD Vance did better.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          471·
          2 months ago

          22 people is hardly a survey for a national election, and is a total nonanswer. I’m asking you what you think Vance did better.

              • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                Oh, my first impression was it might be WSJ. Which if those other two are supposedly centrist, but almost always side with the right, then WSJ’s op-ed portion is almost cartoonishly right-wing.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2149·
            2 months ago

            Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz (while Walz’s body language was not nearly as effective at showing JD Vance’s weird shit).

            If you’re not aware of what “Republicans see as weird”, well… guess what?? JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

            JD Vance is the complete package. Walz is well spoken but not quite as emoted and not as good of a reaction to JD Vance.

            Don’t get me wrong, JD Vance is fucking nuts. But if you’re not seeing JD Vance’s good performance here, you’re at risk at underestimating the scope of the problem here.

            EDIT: Like… base things. The things people care about. Like, “Who looked more like a soldier” (especially on the meta-topic of JD Vance service record vs Tim Walz’s service record), JD Vance looked more like a soldier. Base things that appeal to the ID and not logic. JD Vance is spot on on these issues.

            I don’t think it matters because Donald Trump is the actual topic of discussion. But JD Vance’s performance is better than you’d think within a Republican mindset.

            Its fine because Walz didn’t need to win this debate. Walz just needed to punt and he’s accomplished that. JD Vance isn’t going to turn all of Trump’s ills away with one good debate performance either (especially since Walz wasn’t crushed or defeated).

            Walz needed to introduce his personality to the country. And Walz did that. Good. Take the W for what it is, but don’t overplay your hand here. This isn’t like the Harris v Trump debate where Harris crushed Trump. This is actually slight win to JD Vance IMO but Walz is good enough to not damage Harris’s campaign kinda debate.

            • Pissman2020@lemmy.world
              246·
              2 months ago

              Because the point of an election is to determine who has the best body language. You heard it here first folks

              • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
                15·
                2 months ago

                Trump looks like he’s about to fall forward at all times, and his blank, geriatric, demented stare is honestly a spectical at this point, paired with his constant word salad.

                I guess that means Kamala wins, folks. Wrap it up, everyone. It’s over. Let’s go home and move on.

              • Zexks@lemmy.world
                14·
                2 months ago

                You all don’t seem to understand how stupid people vote. Or what’s important to them or most importantly HOW FUCKING MANY OF THEM YHERE ARE.

              • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
                91·
                2 months ago

                You jest but half a country are below average intelligence. It’s not outlandish to think that many individuals in that half aren’t really following what is being said or understand it. What they can follow is the visuals. How they look, how they stand, how they move; how they “read”. And a non-trivial number of above average people still judge books by their covers.

                I think the point the person above was trying to make is that Vance won the area the majority of people can evaluate and the importance of visuals.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                623·
                2 months ago

                Harris’s body language was far superior to Trump’s. And is part of why she crushed him so completely.

                EDIT: Body language is incredibly important to QAnon btw, because QAnon believes that JD Vance is not free to speak his mind. So these nods and looks JD Vance are doing are non-verbal acknowledgements that also plays to the whole “Q” and “Deep State” shit. Yadda-yadda.

                I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the threat this body language actually is, or the role its playing in this debate. Tim Walz certainly looks completely ignorant to it all (or at least, doesn’t want to deal with it). This is JD Vance literally leaning into Q-shit and rallying it.

                • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  91·
                  2 months ago

                  Wow, and I thought your first post was full of maga copium, but damn, this one takes the cake.

                  Who the actual fuck gives a single wet shit what QTurds have to say?

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
              18·
              2 months ago

              Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz

              JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

              JD Vance is the complete package

              That’s so damn horny 😄

              Are you a couch?

            • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
              521·
              2 months ago

              I know you’re getting downvoted, but I appreciate this analysis. I have autism and don’t pick up on body language

              • 474D@lemmy.world
                13·
                2 months ago

                JD Vance did full 100% politician stance the entire time so I don’t think there’s anything to take from it.

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
          153·
          2 months ago

          Ah yes, “the numbers”. Are those the same numbers that say Trump has the bigliest rallies? Are they the BEST NUMBERS OF ALL TIME?

          Yeah, you might be an idiot if it belive any of that. That’s your right, though. It’s a free country, for now.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            827·
            2 months ago

            This is a fucking Washington Post screenshot.

            Holy shit man. Pull your head out of your own ass. Walz did fine, its not a big deal. But JD Vance outperformed. If you don’t see it then you’re fucking blind and you’re ignoring even left-leaning papers like the WashPo.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                21·
                2 months ago

                WashPo, CBS and CNN reports JD Vance won the debate in quick polls of swing state voters post debate.

                Cope harder. There is simple truth on this issue and I’ll continue to speak the truth here.