If it gets that far, and I’m not convinced it will, Troops aren’t trained for immigration issues.

Do you think 18 year old dumbass Privates and Corporals know the difference between a Puerto Rican US Citizen and an illegal Mexican? Do you think US Troops have any training on police actions? Lawyers or courts?

That’s a disaster waiting to happen. We use troops rarely because they’re dumbasses with a gun. We give them exceptional fighting training, but no training on finer details of policing. Use of force will be too high, rights will be trampled, US Citizens will 100% get caught up as military has no fucking training on this subject.

If it gets that far, then we know what to do. Take pictures, document, build national level outrage.

Its the next political bulwark and where we rally next. If Trump runs over that bulwark, then we make plans afterwards.

But the Military will NOT want to be seen going house-to-house deporting Puerto Rican American Citizens. I know there’s a lot of racists out there, but if they do that, we just take some pictures and the national level outrage and blatant racism on the troop’s faces will be shown for everyone. And trust me, if a mass deportation order were invoked, 100% legal US Citizens will be swept up in the blatantly racist attack.

These people cannot tell the difference from an illegal Mexican, a legal Haitian or a US Citizen Puerto Rican. I’m serious. So that’s no longer a Trump-specific thing at that point. That’s commanders and soldiers who will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Plenty of pigs are already on his side, and would help him with this willingly.

In some red states, yes. But that’s largely in rural areas. I’m not sure if even a city in a deep-red state like Houston would cooperate with Trump.

Its not up to the Police in any case. It’d be likely up to the local Attorney’s General.

Also, as president, SCOTUS has already ruled that he can pretty much do what he wants as long as it’s an “official” act.

If Trump wants to personally come down and deport Mexicans one by one, I’d love to see it. But otherwise, Trump is going to write a thing that likely won’t make sense. Local police won’t get any money for immigration issues and will complain about funding and long hours. Then all the shit will collapse unless Congress gives more money for a deportation program.

There are not enough ICE officers to conduct mass deportation in red states, let alone blue ones. Trump will require cooperation of local police.

If he uses the military in Blue states, it’s an obvious attack on the 10th Amendment. It’s also illegal to use the military for domestic police work.

We can bet on incompetence for now. Trump needs to grow ICE to a large size before he’s even able to conduct a large scale deportation plan of any kind. Deploying the National Guard would be a faux pas, but that’s probably the workaround else need to prepare for legally.

English common law: a citizen is born in a land and that land was owned by a king. As such, the citizen and the land are like one. Citizens based upon birth are owed protection by the local king, while the local king is owed the work of said citizens.

The tradition of birthright citizenship is far older than the 14th Amendment. People were arguing about this crap in the middle ages.

Trump doesn’t do what he says he will do. Its pretty much random.

The reliable grift, such as anti-immigramt hate and anti-muslim stuff is obviously coming. And as awful as they will be, I’m not convinced that it will have an obvious effect on our economy.

When we start looking at things like Elon’s grift or other Billionaires he’s with, the stock market, crypto coins and other assets will go up. It seems unlikely to me that a crash would necessarily occur at the right timing you desire (this is bad for us in the long term. But the modern corporate economics world has become very good at hiding fraud and kicking cans down the road. Elon especially).

If they can hold most money together and make their supporters money (see Cryptocoin and Tesla stock right now), then they have a winning economic message for their core supporters.

Or do you think anyone actually gives a shit about how middle America will feel from this?

What if the economy doesn’t tank?

The President doesn’t have that much control over the economy. That’s a fundamental truth.

There will be awful policies but there’s no guarantee of an economic collapse here.

I appreciate the viewpoint.

Or maybe, being a naive fool is how the left loses elections.

The Republican right explicitly builds media to serve them and tries to use media as a tool for control. And it works.

You can fight against the laws that empower this money system. But if you naively ignore the power structure and reality of today’s media landscape, you WILL BE DOOMED TO LOSE.

If you want to fight against it that’s… Fine. I get it. But you need power first and the current level of power Democrats wield is too low.

Addendum: it was clearly a Kamala strategy to TikTok meme to spread herself. At some point, the Kamala memes stopped and fucked us over.

All TikTok needed to do was change it’s algorithm at inappropriate times and bam we are fucked. How many pro Kamala memes did you see in the last week’s before the election?

Because I don’t remember any coconut trees in the last weeks. The information fountain got shut off and fucked us. We need to know what happened so we are ready for next time.

We are looking at a media deficit so huge that 'Did Joe Biden drop out of the election’s was Googles trending search. I want to know why.

We aren’t getting rid of that in the next 4 years. And I’m a former Republican so I’m not exactly against corporate interests (indeed, corporate interests is where the money and support is).

I’m an anti Trump and as of now, former Republican. This was it for me, it’s clear that Republicans can never defeat MAGA so I’m switching to the Democrats side and gonna see what I can do here.

I get that Democrats are more liberal than me so I’ll accept my place as a minority view. But I’m not against corporate interests. I’m just against the disaster that’s about to happen here in America and now willing to join Democrats to stop it in 2026 and 2028.

Fair point.

Alas I do want a 2nd option aside from Trump. I do have morals after all.

The utter lack of RealPolitik in the Democrats mindset is a sickening level of nativity to me.

DNC as an organization is shit.

I’m talking to Democrats. I’m trying to tell you what your next move should be. The movement and overall organization of the Democrat Party goes above and beyond just its leadership.

I’m talking to you, specifically. First thing we must do is understand why we lost, and that means understanding how Trump won. And the first step there is to stop taking him as a buffoon (even if he is), because there’s a lot of people helping him succeed. We need to think about the whole enemy here, not just Trump but everyone who helped him this year.

And instead of complaining to DNC leadership (who obviously tried everything they could to stop Trump), start thinking about how to defeat MAGA Republicans. Donald Trump is absolutely a shittier candidate than Kamala in every way imaginable. Its not a policy loss here.

This cannot be the message.

The first, and foremost failure, is the Republican party. They are the ones who have chosen Donald Trump to lead. And secondly, they are the ones who built up an organization to turn him into the most powerful political force in America. I salute the Republicans who are still fighting the anti-Trump fight, but the cause is 100% lost. MAGA is now going to be a multi-decade ideology and there’s no way to pull Republicanism out of that trap in any short-term.

That means we need to truly, armor up and organize a fierce resistance. One that can overpower and overtake the MAGA movement. This means seeing MAGA for what it is: a cultural behemoth that commands over 75-million votes today, reliably. They have Elon Musk (Twitter/X). They likely have Zuckerberg (Facebook/Meta/Instagram). They have Washington Post (Jeff Bezos, who has recently replaces the heads with former Murdoch editors). They have LA Times. They have Gannett (and their 200+ regional / local papers). I dare say they own Reddit and likely were running social media interference at the lowest levels (with false stories of hopium. If you were on /r/politics you know what I’m talking about, focusing on shitty stories that Kamala was ahead)

Do you seriously think that all the major newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala Harris was some kind of freak accident? It was a preplanned move to specifically fuck us over. And it worked.

That is the nature of our opposition. They aren’t idiots. They are savvy. They are resourceful. They own the collective media space. And they use their power to get Donald Trump (a shitty man who is easily puppetted with praise), because they want a shadow puppet as their king.

And now that their king is elected, you can see Cryptobros pumping their cryptocoins, Stocks in various media companies flying high, etc. etc. They know they won and they’ll take the W today. But take a good look at America right now. In your depression, as you’re thinking about why Kamala won, you’re missing the real message.

Ask yourself: Why did Donald Trump win. And think about it. The answer is right before you and blazingly far more obvious than any particular action that was within Democrats or Kamala’s control.

Ish. I got my complaints but this isn’t the topic for me to get into them.

The message of local organization is 100% needed right now. And is something the anarchist movements are good at, I must admit. I’ll complain about methods later, after Trump. There’s fires to be put out right now.

State and Local governments exist as the mainstream source of organization. We’ve lost the national election, but my local state is stronger than ever.

I’d say that the pockets of anarchists might make more sense in a Red State where you’d have enemies all around you. But if you’re in a Blue State with large scale support, the best support structure you can aim for is just your State Government

I will never join an anarchist movement. But I appreciate the playbook in any case.

You anarchists keep doing what you do. I can never agree with you but it does give hope in this era. In any case, the playbook to form and organize local groups of resistance is 100% valid. If that’s anarchists for you then so be it. But other groups should be springing up soon that will be closer to my political ideology.

Run the numbers again with abstained votes.

If the women entered the polls only to vote for Abortion, but left the President line blank, then it easily explains one potential issue.

Just because people went to the polls doesn’t mean they even voted on the Presidency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson's_paradox

Welcome to statistics. It’s harder than it looks.

Didn’t Einstein have to flee Nazi Germany and migrate to another country?

I dunno man. I’m not feeling good about this at all.