Winn always made my skin crawl!

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    2 months ago

    Maybe I’m alone on this, but I found a lot of the story lines with Neelix from Voyager to be hard to watch.

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      I found most of Voyager to be too cringy to watch.

      It was just such a weird vibe, like they targeted it for kids who liked trek, and ultra-horny neckbeards at the exact same time.

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        The hormones didn’t come in until seven of nine in the way late seasons. And she’s no different than Troi, except more useful on the ship.

        Are you forgetting the leotard stretching scene…? Or almost anything Troi wore in the early seasons?

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          No, that was bad too.

          I mean, s1 and s2 was very cringy too, but they had episodes that were very well written by people other than Roddenberry, and we all tend to blank out trauma in our past.

          Voyager? This wasn’t the first trek show in decades, we weren’t dying for want of decent scifi, we had tng, ds9, b5, farscape was coming online, stargate too, and before Voy finished we had The Phantom Menace and the Matrix.

          The mid-late 90s were a golden age for media, our standards had increased dramatically particularly for writing.

          For TNG I’d say 50% of episodes are either forgettable or near-unwatchable, with a bias towards the early seasons, S3 and S4 are just gold though.

          Voyager, I have a few episodes I like (, but many more I can’t watch, the writing is just so uneven.

          Btw, I have a warm spot in my heart for Enterprise, I think it got a majorly unfair rap, but the first 2 seasons are similar in their unevenness, though Season 4 is again, just gold.

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            we had The Phantom Menace

            Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi

            TNG … 50%

            I’d put it more like 25%. That being said, I def consult episode guides when I’m rewatching and skip accordingly.

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              Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi

              Yeah, they kind of screwed the pooch when they brought that up. Sort of negates the rest of their argument.

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                Did you see it in theaters when it came out?

                I think we’re spoiled with all the cgi enabled scifi now, it didn’t hold as well as the ot (and the st is rancid garbage) but the prequels were epochal at the time, mass market, high budget scifi, alongside indepdence day they changed everything.

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                  I did. And the CG is not my problem with that movie. The plot and the characters and the dialogue are my problem with that movie. If a movie is good but the effects aren’t, I’m fine with it. I don’t generally watch movies just because they look cool.

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      Yeah, early Neelix is the reigning champ. He may be slightly less so if he had just kept his original outfit from ep 1 instead of his technicolor seizure suit.

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      Concurring, and it seems a popular opinion here.

      There is a world of difference between a character you hate seeing, and a character that you love to hate.

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      Burke was a horrible racist and bigot who went against the entire point of the academy. If I can see her as an awful bigot, in her futuristic society she must have been the equivalent of a klan member. She was a horrible person through her entire existence and we’re supposed to like her cause she redeemed herself in the last 10 seconds? Nah she sucks. Also she wasn’t really a proper character, just a racist Alara clone

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        In all fairness alot of it stemmed from the fact she watched her partner die after they were betrayed by a supposedly ally - trust from that wouldn’t come back quickly.

        Would have liked to see the series carry on a bit more though

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          I get that. But if she’s that compromised, she should never have been on active duty and serving alongside the race she was prejudice against.

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            Extention level threat, qualified officer, not injured who can serve. Predjiced against said event.

            100% would be allowed to stay.

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      Charly is hated because she looks like a Fox Newz Gurl on the bridge and it’s just too convenient. Her acting is fine but there was no discernible angle there - why? I only found out she was Seth MacFarlane’s girlfriend after the season was over. Then I was like “Oohhhhhhhh. So that’s what that was about”

      Yeah.

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    I recognize the bottom two, but not the top one. Those uniforms look like The Orville but I don’t recognize that character at all. But I also never watched S3 and it’s been since they aired (5 years?) that I watched the first two seasons of that show.

    Edit: Looks like I missed the comment saying who the top character is, which is from S3 of The Orville, so I guess I am out of the loop on this one.