I would like to introduce you lovely OpenSource Lovers to a GIT-Alternative called FOSSIL that I also stumbled upon.<br> It’s basically opensource Github-in-a-box which means it’s an SCM with:
- Bug-tracker
- Ticketting-system
- Forum
- Wiki-system
- even a Chat-functionality
& It’s also <u>self-hostable</u> & the best part it’s all in ONE STANDALONE FILE!!! how cool is that
However this tool supports a completely different style of development in FOSS called the “Cathedral-Style” whereas GIT suports a “Bazaar-Style”<br> The person behind Fossil is the creator of SQLite, <u>Dr.Richard Hipp</u> & they even made other projects to support Fossil like a PIC-Like language called PikChr
Well here’s a difference between Git vs Fossil & they even have a hosting service called CHISEL
Fossil is more like a Jira replacement, and its built by one person with a severe case of NIH. Not necessarily a bad thing but I lived through it with Ubuntu, not really a fan of this philosophy.
“NIH”?
I think “Not Invented Here”. Meaning he wants to build everything himself from scratch despite there being alternatives he can use instead.
E.g.: Building your own httprequest library rather than using the existing one which is good enough.
With that attitude maybe we shouldn’t invent at all Why not go all the way
I think you’re reacting to the wrong person as I didn’t make the NIH claim, but merely explained its meaning. :)
“To make an apple pie from scratch, first you must invent the universe.”
That makes sense, thank you.
Not Invented Here, the urge to rebuild the wheel because someone else did it.
Because of Ubuntu we get to have “Just works distros” & Fossil has features Git doesn’t
What about git needs replacement?
It doesn’t have remote/server capabilities for one
Isn’t that by design? I believe the intention was to offload that capability to an existing solution, usually ssh.
Yeah & for that we have to deal withe Dependency hell Look at the size of Fossil & compare
Do you live in a world where storage is expensive or rare? Because I more or less forgot the meaning of deleting files.
Also git does support the git protocol as a server if you really need it.
Not sure what that means. Never once heard of git being a problem or large in size. Further, it’s extremely widely supported.
Git is far from user friendly but that’s a design consideration from a decentralized architecture. Fossil will have the same considerations. People need to learn how to use Git.
The problem is there’s only one person who really knows how to use it: Linus.
Learned fossil in college and I intensely disliked it
Why ? As in the intense dislike ?
Didn’t like mixing issue tracking with vcs. I also didn’t like any VCS hahaha, I was just writing shit in literally notepad
dont forget about jujutsu
I really like the idea of using a relation db to track change history. It removes so much weirdness and quirkiness that git has. You just have regular SQL queries you can use to go through history and ask questions about the state of the repo. I also like that it’s immutable so you don’t have to worry about things like rebasing and other ways you can fuck up history in git. The problems solved by mucking with history largely go away when you can query the db with a rich syntax.
Same, really love the idea of backing history with a proper database, and the immutability. git rebasing was a mistake.
How do you cleanly base your local changes against a new upstream version? Merges?
Rebasing is for advanced git users who knows what he’s doing. If one does not know how to use it or not feeling comfortable in general, he can happily take his own code and try to merge it into the latest version instead. No one is judging.
For the rest of the world where projects are open-source, more often than not, not those projects inside a corporation where only the team lead is making decisions, it’s a powerful tool to settle down conflicts sort out history.
One does not need to change the history again, if he’s not comfortable with it. Just use git as if it’s centralised VCS like SVN. No big deal. In fact, in corporations you do. There only needs to be one person who manages the repository.
I get why it exists, but yeah it’s more trouble than it’s worth in most cases.
I love Fossil and use it for all my personal projects! I use syncthing to keep my all my repositories updated across devices and it works great!
I do wish I better understood either self-hosting or that there were more web hosts though, it would make collaboration easier when I feel like sharing. A git(hub) bridge could do it too I guess…
