Summary

Germany’s intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia’s hybrid warfare, including cyberattacks and sabotage, could escalate to the point where NATO considers invoking Article 5, its mutual defense clause.

Speaking in Berlin, Kahl noted Russia’s growing military capabilities, including battle-hardened troops and advanced drone warfare, which could pose a direct threat to NATO by the end of the decade.

Russia may aim to test NATO’s unity rather than launch large-scale invasions, raising concerns over potential “red line” provocations designed to undermine the alliance’s credibility.

  • foggy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    63
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    7 days ago

    That’s the point.

    Russia has aimed to destabilize the US since the cold war.

    I feel like I’m m taking crazy pills. The cold war never ended. We changed battlefields and everyone shut up about it.

    And in the last 20 years we have gotten our balls stomped. Our enormous military is useless if they can turn it against our citizenry.

    How fucking dumb are we?

    https://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g

    • rayyy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      6 days ago

      Our enormous military

      They have been totally defeated by a perfect storm of Putin’s shoe-string psyops, Republican control of the media and the “poorly educated”.

    • BilboBargains@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      6 days ago

      America still behaves like it’s in the colonial era. It is the country that has been invading sovereign nations, sabotage and economic warfare. Nobody likes a bully.

    • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      7 days ago

      It went to proxy wars after the cold war. There were a whole series of conflicts and interventions where USA and/or Russia were involved, sometimes more, sometimes less. Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.

  • SarcasticMan@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    6 days ago

    Just fucking do it already. We are all going to fuck sooner or later so let’s get it on now. No more foreplay just spit on it and get to fucking.

  • EndOfLine@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    7 days ago

    They forgot to say “and this time we mean it”. How is Russia supposed to take NATO seriously if they don’t include that?

    • Pennomi@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 days ago

      Eh, everybody does saber rattling from time to time. Most people are happier with harsh words than bombs I suppose.

      Though that’s no comfort to Ukraine, who are already embroiled in war.

  • irotsoma@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 days ago

    Which is why Trump will withdraw from NATO and effectively neuter it in the short term allowing Putin to do whatever he wants until Europe can muster the resources to defend its Eastern-most and Scandinavian members, which Putin wants to annex.

    • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      5 days ago

      He doesn’t even need to do that, he just needs to add enough doubt about whether America would actually help defend NATO if Article 5 is invoked, which he has already been doing, to make it so the rest of NATO can’t really do anything.

      • Paragone@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        He’ll gut NATO, & he’ll openly help Putin.

        The only question left is to-what-degree, & when.

        _ /\ _

  • kreskin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    5 days ago

    Its a real shame they didnt just sink the boats found to be damaging the cables.