• thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 hour ago

    Edge (Microsoft browser) thinks the Microsoft Teams exe installer FROM MICROSOFT SERVER is malware, no joke.

    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 hours ago

      Literally

      My desktop/laptop experience for both is as follows:

      Windows update, at least since the inception of the concept has never required me to go to a browser (unless you count w98 “everything is a website” concept for the desktop or the far in between instances were a PC was offline/having issues and you need to download update packages)

      It also updated windows applications (ie office) but yeah it never intended to upgrade other stuff, all other software had their own auto update check

      I’ll concede the restart because yeah it does all for that

      But yeah Linux install is not without issues, and I’ll just remind everyone of how difficult it was/is to install a component driver when it’s not automatically found (wifi cards, disk controllers, and Realtek drivers anyone?)

      Yeah it does update your apps, as long as you have the repos, and restart wise I distinctively remember that you do need to do restarts after updates, be it major distro or not.

      Simple commands? I’ll concede that, as long as we remember the average Linux user is used to a less user friendly experience. Complain ask you want but for the average user, windows update experience works

      Thankfully I don’t need to deal with all that stuff now

  • M137@lemmy.world
    11·
    3 hours ago

    The Windows updating experience, both the system and apps via the Microsoft Store is so fucking bad it’s unbelievable. Shit just stops working all the time, updates fail, grinds the whole system to a halt etc.

    For several years now I’ve been unable to update apps in the Microsoft store in one go, I have to open it, click “get updates” and the circular progression bar goes to about 1/5 and then just stops. So I have to close the app, wait a few minutes, open it again and then press the “play” button for every single app that has updates for the download to actually start, nothing else works. It’s been the same for Windows 10 and 11 across four different computers.

    There was a Windows 10 update several months ago, might even have been last year that just failed for a ton of people and it took months before it was fixed.

  • PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world
    51·
    9 hours ago

    I don’t know about all the arguing and snark, but… I’ve been using Ubuntu (laugh it up) on my work laptop for the last 3ish years, and the vast majority of the time it really is “click install updates. wait 2 minutes. ok every program on your computer is up to date, just don’t forget to restart Firefox”. Can’t think of a time where updating sucked. Sometimes I even go through the terminal just because it makes me feel cool to be a hackerman.

    I dread updating my windows pc at home. Cuts into my WoW time too much.

    • PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world
      2·
      7 hours ago

      Coincidentally my windows PC needed to update when I got back to it. It took like 15 minutes and 2 restarts. I legit pulled out my Ubuntu laptop and Sudo apt-get upgraded that bitch just to flex on Bill Gates.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    223·
    14 hours ago

    No restart require on Linux is a joke, right? Because I get updates that require restarts as often as I get them on Windows when updating Mint.

    • Camille@lemmy.ml
      211·
      14 hours ago

      Unless you’re updating the kernel itself, there is little chance you actually need to reboot your machine. Just restarting whatever service or application you’re using should do the trick.

        • Camille@lemmy.ml
          91·
          14 hours ago

          You do you, it can’t hurt to reboot and work on a fresh restart. But if for some reasons you need to keep your machine up, you’ll know it is less of a problem than on windows typically

    • Blueteabag@sh.itjust.works
      41·
      12 hours ago

      Really? I need to restart my Windows less often, Fedora asks me every other day restart my PC to install updates

        • Blueteabag@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          6 hours ago

          “Issue” implies that there is something wrong with it it’s simple a different release model, Fedora just got the newer packages, for example Gnome 43 on Debian vs Gnome 47 on Fedora (obviously I’m talking about the stable releases). If you prefer the Debian way of doing things that’s great but I don’t.

    • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 hours ago

      This kind of reads as being addicted to the smell of your own farts?

      Nothing in that godawful, arcane, confusing black screen with white text is ever going to be better than clicking on buttons that have English words I can actually understand.

      If you were raised by the matrix and like doing things the hard way with memorized commands, that’s fine with me and kind of cool in a way, but it is definitely the hard way.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 hours ago

        They are. I have about the same success rate with Proton and WINE(via Heroic Launcher) as to when I still duel booted Windows. If you’re talking about games with rootkit anticheats, I never played those in Windows anyway.

          • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
            2·
            8 hours ago

            I just use Mint. Just think of Proton as a feature of Steam. I just pick a game from my Steam library and select Force Compatibility mode on and install. Heroic Launcher (for GoG and some other things) is a few more steps, but I didn’t need a guide to figure it out. Heroic lets you choose either Proton or WINE, so I installed Steam first to minimize confusion.

            Oh, and another nice feature of Heroic is that it will grab the Linux binary if it’s available somewhere even if that binary isn’t available on GoG. I was surprised that it grabbed the native client for Factorio instead of the windows version that’s on GoG.

              • rtxn@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                2·
                6 hours ago

                The overhead added by Proton, compared to the CPU time consumed by the actual game, is minimal. The greatest benefit is that you don’t have dozens of Windows services hogging half of your memory and CPU.

                Some games have some quirks that can cause performance issues when running under Proton. Deathloop, for example, was good on Windows, but unplayable on Linux with the same hardware (Ryzen 5 2600, 16G RAM, RX 6750 XT). There was massive stuttering even on minimum graphics, and every level took several minutes to load. It works now, but since then I’ve upgraded to a 7800X3D, so I’m probably just brute-forcing my way through the same issues.

              • TheSalarian@lemmy.world
                2·
                8 hours ago

                That completely depends on the game. Many play just as well if not better, some play worse or not at all. Check out a site called ProtonDB for a huge list of games and their level of playability.

              • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
                1·
                8 hours ago

                Probably, but I’m already running ancient hardware and I tend to favor retro and indie games, so I’m not the best to ask about that. Some people do report better performance under Proton though. Windows has a lot of bloat that doesn’t exist with WINE/Proton running in Linux.

      • GladiusB@lemmy.world
        21·
        8 hours ago

        I mean they are. I game constantly and use a Linux only machine. The only games that don’t work are crappy anti cheat games from Epic. And they are crappy. So who cares?

        I duel booted just for those and it wasn’t worth the headache. Linux is far superior in every way.

      • Tin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 hours ago

        Most games on Steam work just fine when you turn on Proton. Gaming on linux has come a long way.

  • hinterlufer@lemmy.world
    154·
    14 hours ago

    somepackage requires otherpackage version >10.1.79

    otherpackage is already at latest version

    Have fun compiling it yourself and messing up what is managed by the package manager and what’s not. And don’t forget that the update might break some other package along the way

    • TunaCowboy@lemmy.world
      1·
      5 hours ago

      Most of the time you can just download a release and place the binary in path (or a symlink).

      Compiling it yourself should not ‘messing up’ anything, it should build locally:

      ./configure
make -j$(nproc)

      Now it’s just built, nothing on your system has changed. make install will place requisite files where they need to go, but this generally configurable via prefix or equivalent. You may need to install dependencies, but that’s usually a simple exercise in reading the output from the configuration step.

      Compiling software is easy as fuck and is incredibly flexible.

  • BatrickPateman@lemmy.world
    2·
    14 hours ago

    Windows side of things is getting better though, thanks to winget. Not perfect and it f’s up with certain packages but already a lot better than updating by hand.

  • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
    46·
    11 hours ago

    You people always come off as old people on infomercials.

    Anyways Linus desktop is a mess. You are delusional if you think it’s easier. Maybe more efficient workflows for certain things but easier is a lol.