WAY too many reports. Locking down.
Biden says the same stuff as Kamala…
I’m sure she’ll handle it better than Biden, and absolutely better than trump would.
But I just don’t think she’ll do enough, which is disappointing because “enough” is just cutting off aid money and weapons sales until they stop actively committing a genocide.
If they need aid to defend against Lebanon or Iran in an actual war, maybe they should stop committing a genocide at the same time?
Really seems like if Israel was actually concerned with defense, they wouldn’t spend so much time bombing refugees.
I think the real talk is that she’s a little better than Biden, but Biden is pretty bad. It’s hard to say what she would be doing because i get the feeling she’s holding back out of desire to not undermine Biden’s policies. I’m not anticipating much change overall, though. Sadly, we’re all left watching the genocide.
Lemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!
All these people are convinced that Trump would be worse for Palestinians.
And maybe they’re right, maybe Trump will send in straight up death squads. Maybe he’ll build vans that pipe the exhaust into the cargo area and ship them to tel Aviv. Maybe he’ll start sending the Israelis Zyclon b.
But the fact remains. The last year has been the most deadly for Palestinians. Ever. More Palestinians have been killed in the last year than died during the formation of the state of Israel. More Palestinians have had their homes destroyed in the last year, then ever before in modern history.
At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.
Trump feels the only thing Israel is doing wrong is not killing Palestinians fast enough.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
Worse, if Trump wins, he will bring the worst Israeli policies to the United States.
- He will take Israel’s policy of illegally invading Lebanon as a “security zone” and apply it to Mexico:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
- He will set up internment camps in the United States for immigrants and others classed as “undesirable”:
- He will purge the government of any and all opposition:
- He wants to arrest journalists:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kash-patel-trump-administration/index.html
To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.
Ok.
More Palestinians killed than in 1948. But, we can’t criticize the administration committing a holocaust, we can’t say anything negative about Hitler because “Himmler would be even worse”
I still remember when you shitlibs said “WHATABOUTISM” was bad, now you use it unironically to defend ethnic cleansing.
We absolutely can criticize the administration committing a holocaust… The ISRAELI administration.
If Donald Trump had the faintest fucking clue what any of that was he would be getting very excited…
Thank goodness it looks like he will lose.
Now, can we talk about the current administration enabling, supporting, and funding the worst ethnic cleansing the middle east has seen in centuries?
Jesus, I’ve had this argument recently. Pointless, they are just on some crusade.
To hear the tankies on Lemmy:
OnLy DEmoCraTs aRe ZiOnisT GeNOCiderS! VotE fOr RepUBLicaNs!
What leftist has suggested voting for Trump? Ever?
The amount of intellectual dishonesty I hear out of tankies is insane. The second you call them out, they ban you and delete your comments.
Can you give me an example of this? It’s so ubiquitous it can be generalized, so surely it will be easy!
It’s in nearly every single thread they are present in. They constantly attack Harris, and never mention Trump’s stance.
“if you don’t vote for the good genocider, the bad genocider will get into office. And he is RUDE!”
Has she promised to stop sending bombs?
She promised to not stop.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-walz-hold-first-joint-network-tv-interview-cnn-2024-08-29/
Translation:
I will send Israel more bombs.
I say start arming both sides to to the teeth and hopefully they kill themselves off. I am deathly ill of this religious/politcal holier than thou bullshit.
If the middle east can’t figure their shit out and be useful members of world society then fuck them all.
Least genocidal american policy
At least it would be a fair fight.
“the middle east can’t figure their shit out”
—the civil western man after decades of colonization, coups, arming terrorists, assassinations, bombing, wars, torture, and otherwise meddling in the middle east.
thank you so much for figuring shit out for yourself, o civilized man. please update us whenever you figure out how to do literally anything without massive exploitation. it’s been a quarter millenium, we’re waiting.
Typical leftist misrepresenting the facts again.
We are looking at like, 2+ centuries of western meddling in the middle east. At a bare minimum 75 years. not just a quarter century.
It said “quarter millennium”. We’re all in agreement here
Well shit. I guess I can’t read.
Racist pos
Are you under the impression that the genocide exists in a vacuum devoid of international context?
Peace through bombs, baby.
Trump?
America was locked into that in the Obama era. Israel gets massive amounts of aid.
There is more than enough legal reason to justify stopping sales to Israel but the rules are not applied equally: https://www.npr.org/2024/03/26/1240857410/how-do-leahy-laws-apply-to-u-s-support-for-israel
So it seems like they choose not to and I’m not sure if there’s a justification for that which isn’t fucking atrocious
Where are we supposed to deport American citizens to, exactly?
At the time he was saying to Gaza. He was saying to take Americans citizens who disagree with murdering innocent’s, and put them in the place the innocent’s are being murdered. As if that somehow would teach them something… All it would do is murder the Americans.
Edit: it was another one of those times he was showing how anti America he was
It’s a classic dog whistle. He knows exactly what he’s saying. He’s just disguised it to appear so stupid that no one will hold him accountable for it.
Media: both sides are literally the same
Lemmy: But Harris support jenoside!
She does.
And she has made clear the indigenous people of Palestine will continue to be ethnically cleansed under her administration.
She will have the same position on genocide as Biden
If you want to make a “harm reduction” argument, don’t do it this dishonestly. You know this “heartbreaking” comment is nonsense because she has clearly said she won’t condition US support for Israel. As for “ceasefire,” she’s talking about a temporary pause, as proven by her previous “ceasefire” comment people appealed to. She does not believe in the self-determination of the Palestinian people nor a two-state solution, and to act like she does is to pure nonsense.
All you care about is words and appearances. Well, alright, where are Kamala’s words from the end of August spouting Oct. 7th atrocity propaganda and extolling Israel’s “right to defend itself”?
We get Trump’s stance on protestors, but not Kamala’s? Wondrous! If you recall, Harris put out a statement against the anti-genocide protestors in Washington (along with numerous anti-genocide protestors being arrested throughout these months) when her supporters were embarrassing themselves by saying she was against Netanyahu’s visit despite her scheduling a separate meeting and her campaign confirming her absence wasn’t a political statement.
To predict responses if they come, the flaws with the image will be ignored, and people will repeat: “do you think Trump will be better?” Probably not, but if you have to resort to genuine idiocy to say the inverse, then it seems like you truly don’t believe Trump will be much worse, and all we can take as proof is vibes and intuition. Kamala has repeatedly emphasized that she will be harder on immigration than Trump, but here of course her words can’t be believed!!
At the end of the day israel is openly fucking bombing humanitarian aid at this point and we all know neither is gonna stop them when elected. The ceasefire bullshit is getting as old as the „two state solution”
At least you’ll be able to protest without getting slaughtered ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
