Girls as young as nine could be forced into marriage in Iraq, as conservative groups in parliament push to lower the age of consent.
  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    4 days ago

    I understand that Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. But it sucks that support from his opposition is what helped push this. They’re not bad because they are Shia; they are simply the worst of the people that opposed Hussein. This is what happens when you prop up puppet governments. The rights of the people aren’t important to the puppeteer.

    Tl:dr: Even with Saddam Hussein’s death, Iraq never got its freedom.

    • kava@lemmy.worldEnglish
      69·
      4 days ago

      At the time when we launched the aggressive and illegal invasion of a sovereign county, we were doing it for Democracy™ and Human Rights™

      At the time, you would have been called a traitor, shill, or insane to suggest otherwise.

      After some years, it becomes absolutely clear none of it was true. It was all for imperialist motives. It seems that the propaganda is strong, but it has a short half life. Today you’ll have trouble finding someone defending the US invasion of Iraq.

      I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

      But right now- it’s Sovereignty™, International Law™, and Democracy™

      We destroyed Iraq. We doomed millions of people for generations. And we are participating right now in the destruction of another country.

      It’s just that we do. We destroy.

      • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

        I was wondering what you meant by this but now I think I get it. We created a puppet state in Iraq to get a “buffer” against Iran. The same way Putin wants Ukraine to be its buffer against the rest of Europe. Did I get that right?

        I agree with the rest of what you said.

        • kava@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          4 days ago

          we’ve been pumping money into regime change in Ukraine since the early 90s. NED (National Endowment for Democracy) used to show the dollar figures and specific organizations on their website but deleted that information a while back. You can still find it with Wayback Machine

          Essentially we’ve been funding and supporting organizations in Ukraine under the guise of “pro-Democracy™” “pro-Liberty™” with the goal of supporting any potential chances for regime change. Some of those organizations just happen to be associated with the far-right groups that were part of the initial government that was unconstitutionally appointed In 2014 after Euromaidan- a series of violent protests that forced the pro-Russian president to flee the country.

          tldr: we’ve been destabilizing Ukraine for a long time. the idea was to peel off Ukraine from Russia’s orbit and throw it into the US orbit. And it worked. Which is why Russia invaded in 2014

          Note before I get the inevitable Russian shill comments - I’m not justifying any aggressive invasion by Russia. I’m saying this is a proxy war - a game of tug of war between two larger powers. Neither care in the slightest about what actually happens to the Ukrainians.

          They will not recover from this war for a hundred years. But Lockheed Martin stock will perform nicely

          edit: and remember this comment in 15 years. people will be talking as if what I’m saying is obvious. but right now the propaganda is strong- just like in 2003 with invasion of Iraq

          • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            That’s pretty sad. I don’t understand why we play with so many millions of lives as if it’s all one just big game. Thank you for the through reply.

            • kava@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              3 days ago

              agree. the regular people are always the ones that will end up suffering. lockheed martin shareholders got to enjoy a 30% spike in their holdings after feb 2022. hundreds of thousands of ukrainians lost family members, had to flee their homes, lost limbs, many died/will die, etc

              i view geopolitics almost like i do tectonic plates. every once in a while when there are shifts, earthquakes happen. I think the Ukraine war is the small earthquake that always happens right before the big one.

              to make more WW2 analogies

              spanish civil war & italian invasion of ethiopia = ukraine proxy war & israel/gaza/lebanon/iran situation

              rise of fascists across europe = rise of the new pseudo-fascists in US & Europe & really all over the world (look at Argentina, India, etc)

  • shaserlark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    27·
    6 days ago

    I quickly googled this and mostly found sources like Fox News or Times of India that follow some agenda.

    So here’s a Guardian article on the topic in case anyone was wondering about a commonly known source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/09/proposed-iraqi-law-change-would-legalise-child-say-activists

    Basically there are some religious hardliners that are in the pocket of Iran that want to reduce the marriage age to 9 which would effectively end up in legalizing child rape. Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“. So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

    The people suffering enjoying their liberation are the normal people as usual.

    • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      12·
      5 days ago

      Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“

      Those damned hedonists indulging in the luxury of… checks notes… keeping their dicks out of kids.

      So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

      I mean, they were destabilized liberated by the same people…