Completely blindsided! Who could have foreseen such things?
“Well I didn’t think they would eat MY face!”
Mmm, crunch and gooey at the same time!
-A leopard, probably.
Strange, they all seemed like such nice bigots too
Here we have the unstoppable force of “no one should ever be treated that way” meeting the immovable object of “lol fuckin turd deserves exactly what he gets”
I never expected leopards to eat MY face!
Yes that’s unsurprising and yes he’s probably a bad person, but also I feel the need to say that’s a really shitty thing to do to him. Even shitty people deserve to not be targeted by racist remarks.
Kind of but let’s say:
Someone offered you to fight a bear for $5k.
He assures you the bear is safe.
People around you tell you it’s not, and don’t be an idiot.
Is it your fault if you chose to take the con man’s offer and fight the bear or the con man’s fault?
I started thinking about this after the titanic submarine disaster. Like, how is that not like a Darwin Award?
The difference is that racists are not bears. They’re people behaving poorly. I think this is better compared to a thief getting robbed by his partner in crime. Is he a fool? Yes. Is he a bad person? Yes. Can I blame his partner in crime for this? Also yes. In both cases it’s an idiot and a bad person walking into a position that another person behaved poorly towards them.
So what it comes down to is:
Are bigots and racists more like a bear that is obviously hazardous, or are they like your friend that betrays you.
I truly believe they are more like the first one if you just listen and think about the things they constantly say. But maybe that takes more critical thinking than I should expect from the average person.
Don’t think friend that betrays you, think criminal who you may feel you can work alongside, but demonstrates no loyalty to you beyond direct gains.
If we treat them as bears we ignore the capacity to change that is the very thing that damns them. You, me; and everyone here knows damn well that very few bigots change. And I’ve more than heard enough from bigots to know how monstrous some of them are. My existence happens to be political at the moment.
When a person decides to pick a fight with a particularly large and territorial member of the order Carnivora I place sole blame on the person and not the ursine participant because the person is a person and the bear is a bear. When a person decides to interact with a bigot of their own free will I have no sympathy for them and still blame the bigot because the bigot had the choice to change and I’m not going to let bigots off the hook for being a bigot. So really, it’s that either party could’ve averted this situation rather than just the one, and both should’ve.
You, me; and everyone here knows damn well that very few bigots change
because the bigot had the choice to change
So I like how you’re giving them agency and saying it’s on them to change. So my perspective is an extension of that. They are adults, I expect them to behave like one and/or be ready for the consequences.
So if someone knowingly acts as hostile as a bear, imo you should treat them like a bear to further discourage said behaviour. Imo its the biggest issue today, especially in politics (Harris’ campaign is turning it around it seems).
When someone acts horribly and in bad faith, you can’t act back in good faith and give them the benefit of the doubt or “realize their capacity to change”. You call them weird, you treat them like a bear.
When they go low, they got a knee to the face.
I think the difference is in how you and I treat bears lol. I treat bears as valuable members of an ecosystem that’re best kept in the wild, though can be glorious to view from a distance. I treat bigots like losers who need to be stopped because they’re going to hurt someone. We mock them, we keep their victims safe, and most importantly we make sure that they don’t get their way. Please don’t treat your local wildlife like that.
I recognize their capacity to change in that by applying sufficient pressure I can make them quit being so on this weirdo bullshit. They may stay a bigot but by the gods we can shut them the fuck up.
And I guess really the crux of my original stance is that if anyone deserves racism it’s a bigot, they’re experiencing hate like they express, but I don’t think anyone deserves racism. I’d rather he face no racism than any, so long as it means there’s no racism being faced by non bigoted people either.
I do agree with pretty much all that you’re saying. Especially the part that ideally, we are all human and human suffering (like experiencing racism) should be minimized.
Maybe it’s my age, but I guess I assume there will always be bigots and bad actors out there, yes we should actively fight to minimize it, but at the same time, after all those minimization efforts, we should still want and expect people to have critical thinking.
I guess even though bad actors aren’t good to have, I view them as almost a necessary evil (similar to how a bear is part of the ecosystem) so people learn about evil and critical thinking. Having said that, we are have waaaaaay more bad actors today than necessary.
When a bear is eating your face you dab his chin with a napkin is the other guys point.
Perhaps he will realize that his entire organization is filled with shitty people… nah
no, they do.
They are enabling the racists to be further empowered to take further racist actions that effect other people. They deserve the same racism they’re enabling to happen to them.
The guy’s an uncle tom. if you think that’s a shitty, racist thing to say
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He deserves it
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Maybe I should call him an uncle ruckus instead.
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Tip: They most likely called him the N-word while he was out canvassing for them. Rascist are like that.
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First of all, that speech is awesome.
But I want to comment on something regarding modding, and ask an honest question: Shouldn’t reiteration of historical speeches or texts be omitted from rules about slurs? I mean, reiterating a speech, or a section of Huckleberry Finn, is obviously not the same thing as devaluing someone by calling them a slur. We actually have a quite hot debate going on in my country about this now, where some teachers were harassed for “being racist”, because in class they read aloud a famous poem written by an immigrant about racism, where he writes some of the things that were shouted at him. The whole point of the poem, and of reading it in class, is of course to make a point out of how bad racism is, and to educate about racism. Still, these teachers have been stamped as “racists” because they reiterated specific words in the poem.
For the honest question (I’m not American or a native english speaker): Isn’t there a historical difference between the word “Negro”, and a certain similar word I’ll refrain from reiterating? The way I’ve understood it, the former is a historically more neutral form, that was simply used the way we today would use “black person”, while the latter has more or less always had some kind of devaluating undertone. I’ve gotten that interpretation, among other things, from having read speeches where people are promoting equal rights, and use “Negro” to refer to black people, while clearly not believing that they are inferior in any way (hence the promotion of equal rights). Of course, today, both words are considered unacceptable, but I would like to clarify if I’ve misunderstood, as it helps in interpreting things that were said or written in the past.
My reasoning is is that I don’t want to have to risk arguing why I should be allowed to say the N word, any N word each and every time I want to post this speech. Of all places, my comment was deleted on reddit’s /r/badcopnodonut in regards to Mayor of NYC, Eric Adams Tough on Crime stance a while back.
Maybe other forums and communities wont filter out this version of the N word, maybe not. Linking directly to a University’s webpage of the speech cuts out a lot of the possible head bashing.
Personally speaking, I think the slur could be used against all those “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” regardless of their skin color.
But obviously he is one of the “good ones”.
/s
And now he is suing for discrimination, probably taking advantage of legislation passed by democrats
I’m sure they followed with, “But you’re one of the good ones…”
It’s funny, I almost made a similar comment but decided not to because I was worried it sounded too racist. Had typed out and discarded
"They usually tell me real nice things like "I’m one of the good ones "
-that guy probably
He never thought the leopards would eat his face!
What did he expect?
