Hey, everyone who’s claiming Harris is going to be just as bad for Gaza as Trump will be: square this circle for me, would you?
They’re voting Jill Stein because Daddy Putin says vote splitting is a communist conspiracy
Well actually several Dem congressmen vote for stuff we don’t like therefore all Dems are as bad as Repubs and therefore they are worse than Repubs.
My sources are lemmy.ml and hexbear.
That would require them being capable of critical thinking, and anyone willing to vote third party clearly lacks in that department.
Critical thinking would lead you to vote third party.
What they lack is a specific piece of electoral information about first past the post voting: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
Combine the understanding that america–deeply unfortunately–uses first past the post voting with critical thinking, and it’s obvious third parties are, for now, a waste.
But if you wrongly accuse them of not having critical thinking skills, they’ll use their critical thinking skills, which they have, to assume that you are not a good source of information, even though you’re encouraging them in the right direction.
That seems like a very roundabout way to say that in the present in the US, critical thinking leads you to not vote third party.
No. Critical thinking skills preclude even entertaining the notion of voting third party, because critical thinking skills would lead one to comprehend how FPTP and the EC work, and realize the all-but-guaranteed mathematical impossibility of electing a third party president.
Anyone who proudly proclaims to vote third party is one of the following, without exception:
- an uninformed idealist, aka a useful idiot
- a bad actor
- an entitled jackass with zero disregard for the effects of their actions
In any of these cases, I wouldn’t trust these people with a butter knife let alone a ballot. But that’s not my call, so I call them out for what they are.
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Sure, but we all give them that specific piece of electoral information in nearly every thread.
your video reaches the wrong conclusion. values voting is the only way to stop party consolidation. the problem is strategic voting.
Last time I checked on those people they claimed Trump would be completely pro Palestinian and everyone who didn’t see this true true was stupid. Didn’t know they jumped right to jUsT As BaD.
No one claimed Trump would be better for Palestine, we’ve said Harris and Biden is as bad as Trump would be.
So we should completely ignore what’s going on by something that he has said. If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
Yes, now you’re starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.
And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.
So hold no one accountable and don’t try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it’s better to grab performative notes from Twitter.
At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people’s lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don’t actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.
This is a blatant lie.
I mean it does look a lot like Trump will not only aid Israel genocide of gaza but will join in on the murder. Maybe the time for false equivocation is over ?
You mean exactly like what’s going on right now? They are both owned by AIPAC and will do what AIPAC wants.
Israeli settlers are naming an illegal settlement after Trump in the Golan Heights after his administration recognized them as part of Israel. Why would Israeli settlers, Netanyahu and the larger Israeli ethnostate project all be supporting Trump if he’s exactly the same as Joe Biden?
They were never serious
The people employing bad arguments and/or who just turned 14 are not likely to be able to do that.
Yeah they’re probably still learning their basic geometry
Basically his ideas are automatically the good ideas, and since Harris isn’t gonna do the exact same thing as him that means she’ll be bad. Same logic in saying she’ll be bad for Israel, the southern border, etc.
Sure! The Muslim ban will be defeated in court again, and the Biden administration will not accept refugees from Gaza in any real number regardless.
Exactly. Meanwhile privileged ass college kids talking about voting for this guy because Biden wasn’t being a baby. Fucking idiots.
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Harris is happy to keep killing them over there so they don’t come over here
Check the latest from the Biden admin: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0c608e65-1a84-4707-8124-06620a4c567c.png?thumbnail=1500&format=webp
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You can vote for Harris and also be an anti-genocide advocate by demanding your representatives to BDS Israel, back anti-genocide bills put forth by progressive Democrats, and demand they support ending unconditional military aid to Israel. Every US voter can and should do both.
Trump will obviously be worse on all aspects of domestic and foreign policy.
Yeah, those goddamned refugees better not return to the land they had taken from them just now!
Edit: Ahh I realize I misinterpreted the title. W/e, Trump would be dumb enough to say something like that so I stand by what I said.
Is this actually what he said or are they omitting a 10 minute rant about electrified hannibal lector sharks? Does anyone have a transcript?
lol that half the comments are libs getting btfo because there is currently a defacto ban on refugees from gaza.
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Low numbers =/= full ban
Read the link and look at what they are asking for. They’re asking for a designation change to make the process simpler/easier for gaza refugees
Not to say we shouldn’t also be doing that, but that the link does not say there is a full ban as trump is suggesting
Not letting them in while there is an active genocide occurring in their country is a ban. While liberals are concerned about something he said they ignore what’s going on right now. Harris once said she backed livable wages and M4A, shouldnt we be holding her to the same standard?
Is Biden currently allowing them?
I know he’s announced he’d “look into it” but I don’t think he’s ever let any in for the last year.
It’s just a concept of the potential for empathy for the victims of a genocide…
Research options on helping Palestinian refugees is just as bad as outright banning them along with other Muslums from entering the country… thanks for clearing that up…
It’s been a year…
What exactly needs to be “looked into”?
Like, you’re mad trump says he’ll do this…
But not mad that it’s currently happening right now?
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and at the people that try to gaslight that the Democrats are worse, for whatever reason.
No one is saying they’re worse, just that “better than trump” is still supporting a genocide, refusing refugees and cutting off valid humanitarian aid based on propaganda from the genociders and not undoing it…
if you think Trump is better for the Palestinian people.
Again, no one is saying he would be…
Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.
You’re literally inventing a strawman to be mad at…
Which we all give Vance shit for…
Look, fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas for starting all of this. It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about. I’d rather do everything we can within the current political reality than be right like Jimmy Carter and for the Dems to basically lose all political agency for the next decade plus. Right now I am lucky enough to say that and be so caulous. I hope my family and I can still do so after the inauguration in January. I hope we don’t have our own concentration camps of immigrants in our backyards.
It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about.
So you’re saying that because trump exists…
We can’t criticize Biden for breaking multiple US and international laws to support a genocide and removing aid from it’s victims?
You do you I guess…
But I dont have time for people who think genocide is acceptable under any circumstances
The first and foremost rule of first aid is to ensure your own safety first. Same rule applies here. Hope your righteousness doesn’t bite you in the ass, I truly do.
Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.
Ironic that you’re saying other people are the ones inventing stuff.
There’s the Lehey Law and it’s amendment that says if a country can’t prove their weapons aren’t used for war crimes we’re not allowed to give them weapons.
Biden has ignored evidence US munitions are used in war crimes, and went around Congress to unilaterally facilate a sale.
Thata not all of it, but I doubt we’re going to have a constructive discussion about why you believe that’s not illegally supporting a genocide.
Is Biden currently allowing them?
The answer is an astounding NO
