• rustyfish@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Last time I checked on those people they claimed Trump would be completely pro Palestinian and everyone who didn’t see this true true was stupid. Didn’t know they jumped right to jUsT As BaD.

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      2 months ago

      No one claimed Trump would be better for Palestine, we’ve said Harris and Biden is as bad as Trump would be.

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          2 months ago

          So we should completely ignore what’s going on by something that he has said. If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?

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            If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?

            Yes, now you’re starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.

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              2 months ago

              And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.

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                So hold no one accountable and don’t try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it’s better to grab performative notes from Twitter.

                At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people’s lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don’t actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.

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                  2 months ago

                  I am voting strategically, against both shades of fascism. Continuing to reward bad behavior by electing them creates worse behavior. Republicans have gone from Nixon, who even Obama said was to the left of him, to total garbage like Trump because Republicans wouldn’t hold their politicians accountable. Democrats have gone from someone like Carter to someone denying there is a genocide happening in the ME because they wouldn’t hold their politicians accountable.

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        2 months ago

        I mean it does look a lot like Trump will not only aid Israel genocide of gaza but will join in on the murder. Maybe the time for false equivocation is over ?

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          2 months ago

          You mean exactly like what’s going on right now? They are both owned by AIPAC and will do what AIPAC wants.

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            2 months ago

            Israeli settlers are naming an illegal settlement after Trump in the Golan Heights after his administration recognized them as part of Israel. Why would Israeli settlers, Netanyahu and the larger Israeli ethnostate project all be supporting Trump if he’s exactly the same as Joe Biden?