One House Democrat said he spoke for others in the wake of the president’s stunningly feeble debate performance on Thursday: “The movement to convince Biden to not run is real.”
The House member, an outspoken defender of the president, said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer should consider “a combined effort” to nudge President Joe Biden out of the race.
Crestfallen by the president’s weak voice, pallid appearance and meandering answers, numerous Democratic officials said Biden’s bet on an early debate to rebut unceasing questions about his age had not only backfired but done damage that may prove irreversible. The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.
A second House Democrat said “reflection is needed” from Biden about the way ahead and indicated the private text threads among lawmakers were even more dire, with some saying outright that the president needed to drop out of the race.
It’s far too late for that, jackasses.
This is how Bernie can still win! /s
In the off chance they do replace him, they’re going to force the worst possible candidate on us (Kamala?). Because what else are you going to do, let the bad guy win?
Why would Kamala be the worst candidate?
Everyone hates her for very good reasons.
There is a reason California didn’t vote for her.
What are those very good reasons? I really don’t know.
Her background is as a “tough on crime” (read: shitty on civil rights) prosecuting attorney.
Why do people just go on the internet and tell lies like this? California elected her attorney general for 8 years and senator once.
A bland and unprincipled candidate whose positions shift based on polling numbers. Not to mention her prosecutorial background and close proximity to SF corruption scandals makes her an easy target.
She’s not white and female, those reasons alone mean she’s lost over a quarter of the nation.
She’s not worse than Biden but not great. He should have chosen Stacey Abrams.
Her history as a prosecutor in California makes her significantly worse. She’s personally locked up a lot of POC for drug possession.
She seems vague and even incoherent a lot of the time, I’m not so sure she’s better.
Stacey or Kamala?
Kamala
Yeah hard sell on the whiney voice too
It would be newsom
Newsome would have to resign as Governor and I’m not sure he wants to do that for a long shot presidential campaign.
Newsome polls very poorly against Trump and he also isn’t very popular in his home state as Governor.
At that level, Kamala is hated by her home state as well.
It feels like he’s inevitable at this point. 🙁
I really hope not. He is as corpo as it gets, shielding PGE from actual consequences.
Jesus fuck no. He’s basically Hillary 2.0
and joe biden isnt? lateral move
Biden’s big problem in the debate was that, for a few moments, he mumbled a confused answer that sounded like Donald Trump.
It was a no-win situation. The DNC gave in - once again - to their republican-lite mindset of ‘capturing undecided voters’ and agreed to get socked in the face , twice, for absolutely no gain and everything to lose.
DNC consultants have always been morons, but now they’re morons-from-the-90s who still don’t understand what’s changed.
Having a presidential election without debates would have been a big step back and loss for American democracy.
We shouldn’t champion erosion of democratic institutions when it helps our side of the ticket.
And generally, if eroding democratic institutions helps your ticket, it’s a red flag about your ticket.
That’s a pretty fatal mistake when your average person is only gonna watch a 10 second clip of the debate.
That’s it for me. I’m not voting for anyone who sounds confused for 10 seconds. Unless maybe they ran against someone who sounds confused for 10 years, but only in that circumstance.
Really cool feeling when your state has primaries long after super Tuesday and the candidates were already mathematically locked in before you get a say. I swear I only get a chance to influence presidential primaries half the time or so. It’s strange to watch a ‘democracy’ keep moving when sometimes your voice doesn’t count because of where you’re from.
when sometimes your voice doesn’t count
Humans worship the powerful, not the mundane.
Then it’s simply not a democracy, yet I still often hear politicians, media pundits, and normal people claim it’s the best one. Where does the truth lie?
Yes, the truth lies.
Perhaps it’s lying there because truth is dead.
The truth is that no system of rule is functional long term, anarchism is the only stable system, it worked for 200k years.
So long as the state is how humans organize, there will be boom and bust cycles until either ecological collapse or invulnerable fascism brings us to a new terrible stable state.
The only logical position (in the U.S.) is to vote blue to buy time in hopes that anarchism can be reached by other means.
… Oh, not that kind of truth probably
I am right now drafting a message to send to the White House contact form advocating for just this. Will do nothing most likely, but it’s my drop in the ocean.
“reflection is needed”
I hate being pessimistic, but they’re gonna drag out “reflecting” for so long that they will lose the election.
if our elected officials are actually serious, they better act quickly on this because yesterday was extremely embarrassing. time will tell.
Biden drops out Trump wins. What is the point of this?
The point is that there is now a credible fear that if Biden does not drop out, Trump wins.
Replacing the candidate at the top of the ticket this late is a hail Mary, but it could bring unenthusiastic voters back into the Democratic tent.
Trumps base is smaller, but passionate, they will show up. Biden doesn’t really have followers, he has people that are just glad that he isn’t Trump. But at this point it’s embarrassing to even vote for him for that reason… so people just won’t show up to vote at all. All they have to do is have a sentient human that can complete a sentence and the hate for Trump will prevail. For the love of God. Do something DNC or Trump it is.
I just can’t believe everyone is acting all surprised that the dude that could barely complete a sentence when he was 77 didn’t get mysteriously better now that he’s 81. Who woulda thought?..
We all know the DNC will do nothing, and Trump will win, and they are fine with it. Because they want to keep dragging this party to the right.
And lose the incumbent bump? A wash at best
To get Trump to win so Project 2025 can happen
Not necessarily…… blue maga will support whoever they choose regardless and if they choose someone other than Biden they have a chance at the youth and uncommitted voters.
That’s not guaranteed if Biden drops out before the DNC convention in August, where presumably another (possibly younger) candidate could be chosen.
Trump wins if biden stays. I will vote for potato Biden before Trump, but I literally barely give a shit. The bar is literally so low and the democrats found a way to still struggle against a hated criminal. For the love of GOD, run someone else now. I will vote for anyone other than Trump but the LONG list of people that just want a sane person in there and currently won’t vote for either will probably show up if a sentient human was an option.
New candidate, dems win. Sit around and do nothing, Trump wins. His smaller base is passionate. The democrats are pretty underwhelmed and embarrassed of Biden.
I think what everyone needs to realize is that it’s already too late. It’s been too late and it was too late months ago. There are no other options. The world will suck but will most definitely suck less than one being led by Trump. You have two effective choices, vote Biden or don’t. It’s unfortunately all we have at this point.
With that attitude. They could literally put ANYONE in there (other than Hillary) and they will win. ANYONE. Doesn’t matter how late it is. A vast majority HATE Trump and are embarrassed of Biden. Just give them someone they aren’t completely ashamed of. That’s it. That’s all they have to do. They don’t need years of campaigning. Just be able to complete a coherent sentence and don’t be a racist bigot. That is how low the bar actually is right now. Hell, Hillary would probably win this go around.
I’d agree with you, except that we’re in the dark timeline where the DNC has burned us hard by making dumb electoral decisions. We’re basically given another chance at 2016 where we have a democratic shoehorn vs a narcissistic authoritarian. I’m actually getting to the point where I regret not voting for Hilary because of how much of a shit show those years were.
So, yes, I’d love to vote for someone else, preferably like Bernie, but it’s far too late to recampaign. Especially since it’s less than 5 months prior to actual elections. Given what was accomplished these past 4 years, I’d actually be okay with Biden if he would meaningfully do something to help Palestine.
I’m not sure what about last night gave you the impression HE is capable of doing anything.
I think you need to capitalize and repeat HILLARY a few more times to point out how logical and politically savvy you are.
“I mean HILLARY could even make statements without being as ASHAMED as ANYONE. ANYONE! HILLARY could be literally ANYONE plus HATE! To be better than HILLARY people!“
This is the incoherence you bring to the table. Maybe spice it up with the DNC being James Bond level super villains and telling everyone what to think?
Lmao he only mentioned her twice, you’re talking about her more than he is
Lmao, the fuck? You laugh why dipshit?
Why is she mentioned at all? Who cares if I say her name 3 times compared to 2.
What’s the fucking difference if YOU think she has no relevance at all? Got anything relevant to add or just lmao?
Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves. They stayed mum for three and half years and now they’re reaping the whirlwind.
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Stayed mum? They actively fought against allowing anyone to hold primaries.
But we did hold primaries and Biden won in a landslide
Putin also wins by a landslide. It’s easy to do if you ban all the competition.
They did? That’s weird I remember voting in them just like I do every 4 years.
You weren’t paying attention. Many states banned anyone else from the ballot, even though there wasn’t cause for that by the rules.
There were no debates (Something that would have given Democratic party members time to decide if they thought Biden was electable.)
Some states were told their delegates wouldn’t count.
There was no fair Democratic Party primary. If you think there was you were either not paying attention, or you didn’t want a fair primary in the first place.
This problem is a problem of the Democratic Parties own making.
This problem is a problem of the Democratic
PartiesParty’s own making.
They should force Hillary on us again.
We need ranked choice voting, and this 2 party system is complete bullshit and needs to go. Obviously, neither will happen, but it should.
Maybe one of these people? Not that I like them, but they are not trump, have a chance, and are not on their deathbed.
- Gretchen Whitmer
- Pete buttigieg
- Jamaal Bowman
I’d take a Whitmer-Buttigieg ticket in a millisecond.
Bidens about to go down as one of the worst Democrats in the last century because of his hubris if he doesn’t. His decent domestic agenda will be overshadowed by him ushering in another trump presidency by ignoring all the signs for him to drop out. He didn’t early last year when polls repeatedly showed that people thought he was too old. He didn’t when unnamed democrat was leading him by 10 points. He didn’t when his Gaza policy alienated large chunks of his base. If he doesn’t in the next couple weeks when there will probably be polls coming out showing majority support for him stepping down then he’s gone full head in the sand.
It’s like RBG all over again, if these people could just get it through there heads to quit while there ahead they could preserve a decent legacy, instead of tarnishing it by leading the way to a regressive order that overturns everything they’ve done.
It’s too late for this kind of thinking. We can’t change horses mid stream
I thought that, but after last night, I wouldn’t let Biden cook in my kitchen without supervision.
Biden will lose against Trump. Changing candidates this late isn’t ideal but it’s better than guaranteed failure, and it’s better than after the convention if Biden deteroriates from where he’s currently at.
We can change horses if there’s overwhelming pressure to do it and it’s exceptionally well planned.
What we absolutely can’t do is nominate someone else against Biden’s wishes and still have him on the ballot as an independent… that’s how you get folks like Woodrow Wilson.
I, personally, think it’s doubtful that much pressure will materialize, but I’m prepared to be pleasantly surprised.
If your horse is on death’s door. And you’re crossing a stream. You’d better be prepared to swim.
You have to, if your horse literally can’t make it across. It may not go well, but you have no choice.
I disagree. I actually think you’d see a boost.
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Acknowledging age concerns of the electorate = good.
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Running someone fresh that appeals to this American Idol-esque popularity contest = good.
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Running someone Republicans don’t have their talking-points fleshed out on = good.
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Dont worry the DNC will find a way to blame Bernie for it
quit while
therethey’re ahead
