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just dump them both and their first replacements in a black hole and things will potentially improve.
Yes independent party! Fuck the DNC for throwing our Bernie under the bus
It’s so painful to watch Biden attempt to recall accurate information, while watching Trump effortlessly lie.
its easier to make stuff up than remember details that need to be accurate.
As I’m watching it, Mozart’s Requiem in D minor is playing in my head.
When Biden seemed lost at the beginning, it was the Introitus.
When they were arguing about golf, it was the Confutatis.
When they were both responding to how to help Americans with addiction by talking about restricting fentanyl coming into the country, it was the Dies Irae.
The entire thing was underlined by the Lacrimosa.
The closing statements, the Kyrie. Lord have mercy.
Edit: (Obviously these are not in performance order.)
This is probably the worst Biden has ever sounded, and it was largely because he was trying to remember and repeat everything he could.
Meanwhile Trump just says whatever comes to mind.
Also, what was up with those muffled mics? You could hear it in Trump’s mic too until he started getting louder.
The mics were turned off when it wasn’t their turn.
No, I mean both candidates sounded softer than normal. Like the sound was a bit muffled. It was most noticeable at the very beginning before they started talking louder.
Sounds like a noise suppression issue. Probably just a fuck up by the techs.
Before the debate they said Biden had had a cold as well.
I didn’t notice the muffled mics, but I agree with you on all accounts otherwise
At one point trump was talking forever. you could see even he was not sure what else to say but he kept plugging along. I was like. isn’t his time up? aren’t they supposed to mute the mics?
And russian trolls do their best … or worst right now. And chinese leaders wait and smile.
So, outa curiosity…. How many cans of Mountain Dew did Biden slam back?
They set the expectations ridiculously low for Biden and are desperately trying to claw that back. When they say he can’t string two sentences together, all he has to do is string two sentences together and he’s shown that they’re wrong about him. Such morons.
I dunno. IMO, he didn’t sound terrible. He sounded like an 81 year old who probably shouldn’t have been shoved into the nomination but the other frontrunner last time could have forced some representation of the left, so the DNC did it anyway. At least he made an effort to make sentences and call out lies, which the moderators should have.
I hate that our choices are a guy who should be retired vs a nazi that should be retired.
I didn’t watch it, but from what I’m reading this morning, it probably won’t change anyone’s mind.
We need about a week to see what happens with polling. Anyone right now is just reading tea leaves. But uh … This is the worst debate performance I’ve seen since Palin. So I can see why party insiders are suddenly discussing things like an open convention in hushed voices.
Okay, but what I’m reading is that Biden sounded like a lost old man and Trump sounded like a crazy old man, which is what everyone already knew about both of them, so I’m not sure why anyone would change their minds.
Because we know from 2016 and 2020 that Trump’s craziness isn’t an impediment to him getting votes. We’re also in a bubble here on Lemmy. The CNN flash poll they conduct before/after the debate had a 12 point swing towards Trump.
Was that 12 points swinging towards Trump as the debate winner or was that people changing their vote? Because those are very different things. I would be surprised if it were the latter.
The debate winner. And yeah it’s different but also telling when Biden has won easily every other time.
I did watch it. It was not great but, I’m still left with the impression that people set really unrealistic expectations for an 81 year old with a history of speech impediment. Those things come back in novel ways as we get older. IMO, the whole thing borders on elder abuse but, that’s where we’re at. Just disappointing to see the “left-wing” (corpo) media immediately on the attack - they seem to be trying to carry more water due Trump.
Also, I am not sure if the shell-shocked look of the talking head before she started speaking was from the debate or the words on the teleprompter.
What’s amazing to me is the Trump team set the bar so super low that Biden would have cleared it no matter what and it didn’t end up making a difference.
I was really dissapointed that biden did not discuss trump lowering interest rates to zero before covid when obama had gotten us to a few percent. Zero interest rates is something that is only supposed to be done when there are problems and the economy is not running right and we need a general buff. three to six are normal levels. over six is high. You will always get inflation when interest rates are kept low in an economy that does not need it. This was one reason we could not drop them when covid hit and the reason they had to be raised at breakneck speed which is something you never want to do. They should be lowered and raised very slowly at very slow levels. Idealy quarter of a point or less each time and not ever quarter.
I hate that our choices are a guy who should be retired vs a nazi that should be retired.
Very well said
Meanwhile, I had higher expectations for Biden, and Trump’s expectations are what I’m seeing… This debate will not sway me away from voting Biden, but fuck is it hard to watch.
I try to remember that we’re voting for an entire administration and presidential appointments, an apparatus much larger than one old man. It’s cold comfort, but it’s something.
I feel like Biden has exceeded my expectations for him. I wouldn’t call him good, but he’s better than I expected him to be, which was essentially Trump lite on policy.
I agree, and have said the same repeatedly. In 2020, I just wanted a president who wasn’t a complete crook, con man, and national embarrassment. I didn’t think Biden would accomplish much, I just hoped he could repair our reputation with other countries a little.
I was stunned that Biden accomplished more than Obama. He certainly isn’t perfect, but he’s fine a good job. Just that infrastructure bill would be something most presidents would take as their legacy, but he’s done a lot more.
He’s too damned old, but I’ll still take him over Trump.
this. for me personally the no surprise billing and throwing out non competes was huge.
I really don’t see his policies as even being close. environment, taxes, ukraine, abortion. Hes not even bush jr light. Might be able to compare him to bush sr. or reagan as far as lite version but you can say that about clinton and obama. As far adminstration accomplishments he is the best president of my lifetime. I liked obama but he really wasted his first term. Granted we are not nearly as left as I would like to be as a country now or in direction we are headed bu that is not due to too many democrats being elected.
Yup.
It was a legitimately bad performance from Biden. Every media outlet is reporting how bad it was.
Even if the overall debate wasn’t that bad from him, his few moments of mumbling gibberish will overshadow everything else. Trump rightly pointed out at one point he couldn’t understand anything Biden was saying to try counterpointing it.
Biden looked terrible, and he sounded terrible. Trump lied about 99% of the time. Biden told us what he did for ALL Americans and there is more to come. Trump admitted he cut taxes for the wealthy and destroyed environmental regulations. As a voter, you are voting for the candidate and their administration. The choice in 2024 is, A. Things get better for our Democracy, or B. We install a dictator and voting ends forever. They are not both the same, and NOT voting, or 3rd party voting, helps the weaker candidate win.
I’m voting for the candidate that has been making life for ALL citizens better, that’s the job of the President.
This run down fits with what I saw but biden was better by the end if not great. Trump did a good job though of looking better in a beauty pageant aint nobody want to be a contestant in.
Great, no. Better, undoubtedly.
Things won’t get better for Gaza.
Let’s burn everything down then. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing up this complex situation for us.
Not what I said, just a reminder that genocide is bipartisan.
That’s a tautology when talking about any potential American president
Correct. This is a demon country run by moonstera.
if Biden loses and Trump takes office, yes I agree. Trump will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Biden is working hard to help genocide the Palestinians. He could end this whenever he wants by not giving them more weapons. He said there was a red line! All lies.
You’d think, based on your username, you would be against what Trump stands for, seeing as he’s clearly worse for Gaza too.
I can no longer tell if you’re a provocateur or an idiot, frankly.
For them if doesn’t matter who wins, because if Israel is not stopped there won’t be anyone left in Gaza by 2025.
Exactly. They won’t get better either way. But at least they won’t get even worse. Wouldn’t you want that ?
How is it possible to get worse?
Electing trump will surely show us just how awful life here can be. Watch documentaries about the DPRK and you will see what dear leader wants to become. Freedom will be a memory.
You want to try and see ?
Are you seriously so stupid you can’t imagine ways it gets worse? A) The humanitarian aid we give Palestinians would stop. That is worse. B) The military aid we give Israel could get much higher. C) The tacit approval we give to Netanyahu to commit war crimes could become overt approval, giving him freedom to commit worse atrocities. D) The US could put troops on the ground, which might almost be better since our troops are both better trained AND not so intent on committing genocide compared to the IDF, but in the end is probably worse since Trump would just order eradication of everything.
Biden at least tries to save some face, as evident from the recent cease fire push. Trump doesn’t give two shits about optics and would instantly give Israel whatever they want and publicly back then up. It won’t get much worse, because it’s already so bad it’s hard to get much worse, but it will get worse under Trump.
we could stop trying to aid palestinians. we could give israel more than a token amount of military aid. If you don’t think what we do is token compare ukraine to israel. its about 10x (when ukraine stuff is not blocked by a certain party). direct us troops could be involved even if its just killing iranian generals with missiles.
Never ask that question. It’s a flag.
Israel could always round up paliatines into camps for thier safety preventing them from Leaving. Then provide them jobs… and then kill whomever in gas chambers.
They’re already rounded up into camps. They’re called “safe zones”
won’t get better either way
jesus fucking christ.
if Biden loses and Trump takes office, he will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Things won’t get better under Biden though. Strongest argument neoliberals might be able to make is that fascism will arrive slightly slower under their guy.
But seeing how Biden is fumbling it’s very likely he’s going to lose this. He needs to step down. If it’s about the party or the administration then he needs to realize that. If he stays in he is responsible for a Trump win.
Things have gotten better under his first term so I don’t see why it would not. At least for things the president could effect. As far as facism it has not improved in terms of rectifying citizens united but not getting better is a whole lot better than getting way worse.
OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES JESUS CHRIST
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