Summary
Donald Trump’s 2024 election victory, influenced by support from podcasters like Joe Rogan, has sparked debate among Democrats about creating a left-leaning equivalent.
Rogan, whose show reaches 14.5 million listeners (80% male, largely independents or Republicans), endorsed Trump and hosted figures like JD Vance and Elon Musk.
Critics argue Democrats lack a comparable media ecosystem due to limited funding from megadonors, who oppose progressive policies.
Others suggest Democrats need to focus on appealing policies for independent-minded voters rather than trying to replicate Rogan’s media influence.
"Democrats lack a comparable media ecosystem due to limited funding from megadonors, "
The Harris-Walz campaign raised a billion dollars. They don’t need any more megadonors or beyonce or taylor swift. The need to fight for the working class and human rights
Dems had a Rogan, it was Rogan. He supported Bernie in 2016. Hillary and co. derided them as Bernie Bros, and well, we know what happened next.
Hell I bet the DNC neolibs have a fairly low opinion of folks like Hasan or Chapo Trap House, who both do absolute numbers.
Hasan has been on the “hezbollah good” train for while.
And so many anti-colonization and pro-resistance ! It is amazing that people think that the world should do nothing while Israel commit genocide and war crimes.
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“People saying Harris should have done Joe Rogan are missing the point. That wouldn’t have helped her,” argued The Nation legal commentator Elie Mystal on X. “Liberals need to BUILD THEIR OWN JOE ROGAN. Somebody who can speak to the people he speaks to, without being a guy who wants to kiss ass to billionaires like Elon Musk.”
Rogan endorsed Bernie in 2020. They could clearly win over Rogan and his viewers, but they would just need a progressive message from an authentic candidate. These people think it would be easier to reproduce the success of the most popular podcast of all time rather than give people a candidate they want to vote for.
The shit on the right is all fed by the same poison shit. Their opinions are colored, and enforced by liars pushing an agenda. If the left is to be successful they will need a different tactic. Liberals, and progressives aren’t as fearful as conservatives. The reason the propaganda is so successful is largely due to the cowardice of republicans. It sounds like I’m just talking shit, but look at their talking points. Everything is based on fear. I would love to see a media operation as successful on the left, but it can’t use the same formula.
From what I’ve seen, and I’m in enough of a bubble to need to clarify that, they would do well to simply stop trying to court the right who will hate them for existing and instead go after the millions of left-wing voters who are right there. They refuse to, of course, which means they’re either stupid or prefer trying to do things the hard way over the easy and right way.
This isn’t a hot take, it’s all over everywhere, but yea.
That is an accurate assessment. Honestly, I’m disgusted most of the time. It’s difficult seeing people behave like assheads in pursuit of money, and favor.
The problem is jre wasn’t that way to start. It was a (supposed) comedian bullshitting with his friends then developed into what it is now.
The act of being funny stops once you start huffing your own farts like Rogan. When you think you’re making a crazy point when you literally tell dick jokes for a living.
I don’t know if something like that’ll happen. Think jre is lightning in a bottle for meatheaded couch philosophers.
I bet this will go as well as when they tried creating Air America to combat right wing talk radio.
There is, and has been, a large number of left-wing podcasts. But the Dems don’t want to pump money into Chapo Trap House, Five-Four, or the Cool Zone network. They want Ezra Klein to be as cool as Rogan.
They refuse to meet people at their level, and its killing the party.
Yeah but I also absolutely can’t imagine any of these people going hard dem unless the Dems go hard left. Now I do think that a lot of the cracked folks, can be the left wing voices to alienated men, and I’ve noticed Robert Evans has been trying to be a voice of that for a long time (and serious kudos to him for it).
I also think that we only have one major left wing voice that has ever been particularly good at breaking people out of the alt right pipeline, Contrapoints, and I think we’d seriously benefit from encouraging further use of her tactics.
It seemed like every time I tried to listen to that, I kept hearing Randi Rhodes. Some of the others that came out of there still have good things to say, like Thom Hartmann and Cenk.
I don’t know what Al Franken has been up to lately.
But yeah, if there was something as funny as the Daily Show, but always something you could switch over to even on terrestrial radio, I think it’d be good to have something to combat all the hatriot radio…
We had John Stewart and have had John Oliver. But once a week for both of them is too little when Rogan can puke shit nonstop.
Not sure it would ever be enough.
Given that ‘college graduates’ seem to be the group least likely to be fooled by fascist propaganda and idiotic brocasts; Education takes time and commitment (and diplomas are expensive). While there’s an unlimited supply of ‘non-college’ voters who are… let’s say easily weaponized to billionaire’s causes.
Not to mention the latest generation seems the most hopeless and nihilistic of all, fueled by failed politics and supreme court (and social media garbage that causes brain damage).
The only hope I have left is that T****'s second term is such a terrible fucking nightmare that it produces an unbeatable progressive, populist left-wing that steamrolls the Democratic primaries. (lol, lmao even. RIP America.)
I don’t really think this brand of nonsense peddling works for the left. There are already many, many comedians on the left providing left or left leaning takes and not shoveling conspiracy garbage onto their shows… Jon Stewart, John Oliver for example. They’re popular, but they aren’t going to seize the same crowd as Rogan.
Please don’t. One Broprah is too many.
So we need someone with infinite curiosity, bottomless gullibility, boundless confidence, and inability to learn.
I mean…I guess…
James Carville is like right there.
Unfortunately that hairless elbow golem is exactly the kind of clueless neolib that voters just rejected.
Yes. Inability to learn was one of the criteria.
Seems more like a further slide to the right by democrats.
This sort of strategy is only going to alienate many on the left, because populism like this can only stroke reactionary feelings and not progressive movements.
It’s perfectly fine to build up a milquetoast reactionary centralist movement who lack any tools to enact change, and it may help some feel like they are doing the right thing. More power to them, I guess.
Somebody who can speak to the people he speaks to, without being a guy who wants to kiss ass to billionaires like Elon Musk
It’s a packaged deal. They wouldn’t land those types of interviews if you changed that.
You’re looking for Jon Stewart. There is zero chance Musk et al would face that.
Messaging is a problem but when one side hands out mental candy bars while the other is urging you to prep fresh meals because it’s healthier… We all know average folks going for the candy bar. How do you educate and sound appealing. People seem so disillusioned with well reality they’ve made their own.
I hate to tell you this, but he already exists and he’s Destiny.
