• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    Biden did more to help the working class than any president in my lifetime. People are too stupid or don’t pay enough attention to realize it.

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      Biden did more to help the working class than any president in my lifetime.

      Here’s how strikebreaking is actually good for the working class!

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      People are too stupid or don’t pay enough attention

      Biden ended a bunch of CARES Act provisions that benefited working families and children. Medicaid enrollment was cut. The monthly paid out child tax cut extension was ended. Mandated Paid Sick Leave ended.

      That’s what people were stupidly noticing.

      Meanwhile, greedflation jacked up the prices of consumer goods straight into 2023. Biden Dems were angry when people refused to stop paying attention to prices that outpaced salaries, while the Feds twiddled their thumbs.

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        Medicaid enrollment was cut.

        By Congress, not Biden, though the Consolidated Appropriations Act as a demand by Republicans.

        The monthly paid out child tax cut extension was ended.

        Again Republicans voted against the reauthorization because they didn’t want to hand Democrats a “win”.

        Mandated Paid Sick Leave ended.

        This was only ever intended to be temporary as it only applies when there was federal or state quarantine in effect. Democrats in the House introduced the Healthy Families Act which would guarantee all workers 7 sick days a year. The act was filibustered by Republicans in the Senate.

        Democrats are not the problem here.

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          Democrats are not the problem here.

          no amount of facts are going to sway the ‘but both SIDES BAD UNNHH’ no matter how much you try to rub the data in their stupid faces.

          A plurality of morons voted directly against their own best interests or there was some gigantic, undetectable fraud. Either way, country’s fucked.

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        It’s hilarious that you replied to a comment about people “being stupid or not paying enough attenrion” and showed everyone you are one of those people.

        The Legislative branch was responsible for the criticism you aimed at Biden, and guess what? Republicans controlled the House, and in the Senate, there are 49 Republicans, 47 Democrats, and 4 Independents.

        Which means the Democrats had no legislative power at all in the House, and no meaningful power in the Senate.

        Do you even know who introduced the CARES Act? Joe Courtney, a Democrat.

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        Biden? Are you sure it wasn’t the fuckwit Republicans in Congress? You might want to check your sources.

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        It’s true that inflation outpaced wages, but this was only for a period following Covid. And while everyone pointed out when inflation pulled away, no one seemed to notice when wages bounced back.

        Tens of millions of deaths globally will inevitably cause supply chain issues, and no amount of fiscal policy will prevent that scarcity. So people have to pay more for the same value. But things also recovered under Biden to more than compensate for that deficit. Here’s the growth rate of inflation and wages over the past four years:

        1000002708

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          To people literally dying of corporate capitalism, Harris’s mantra was, “Look at these charts, people — everything’s pretty good!”

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            I would say it’s more like, “Things aren’t as bad as the right would have you believe, and we have actually done a lot to prevent it from being worse.” She didn’t pretend America wasn’t struggling. I remember her talking about the rising costs of groceries frequently, and she advertised the planned first time homeowner tax credit as something intended to make housing more affordable. Trump’s solution was instead deporting a lot of residents working jobs that generated a lot of value relative to their wage, and making pretty much everything more expensive with tarriffs.

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      You’re not wrong but their messaging was shit and Kamala did not run on Biden’s wins. She ran on his losses.

      Also most progressive US president is a really low bar lol.

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      And this is why we lost. People are screaming for help, and Democrats just said “you’re wrong, everything is actually fine. It’s all in your head. Biden actually did help you! You were just too uninformed to notice it.”

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        People act like Democrats were just ignoring what people wanted, while Republican politicians and judges were blocking them every step of the way. Just look at how many ways Biden’s school debt relief plans were defeated.

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          People act like Democrats were just ignoring what people wanted, while Republican politicians and judges were blocking them every step of the way.

          Joe Manchin was a Democrat when he blocked BBB. He was a Democrat when he killed the expanded child tax credit and doubled child poverty in the US overnight. Sinema was a Democrat when she delivered the thumbs down that remains the party’s last word on the minimum wage.

          We saw Democrats get in their own way over and over during this administration.

          Ordering us to be happy when we saw what happened is no different than ordering someone who can’t afford groceries to be happy that the economy is working great for billionaires.

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          Just look at how many ways Biden’s school debt relief plans were defeated.

          Because Biden did it in ways the judges could block. Per the Department of Education, the executive has the authority to simply delete the debt and dare the judges to create new debt out of thin air.

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        Absolutely fucking right.

        "Your doctor won’t be able to offer you prenatal care or freeze your eggs for fertility treatment!

        “I can’t afford rent or eggs and you think I have a DOCTOR? You think I can afford to even think about having a kid?”

        “Look at the stock market though!”

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      Biden did more to help the working class…

      What’s he doing right now?

      Hiding under the desk?

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        From a 2 second google search: Biden’s policies that have helped the working class include the American Rescue Plan, which provided direct financial aid and extended unemployment benefits, and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which aims to create good-paying jobs. Additionally, efforts to strengthen unions and raise the minimum wage have also supported working-class Americans.

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      in my lifetime.

      So we can safely assume you’re at least 8 years old since Obama obviously did less somehow despite literally being more leftist and having an entire social health program named after him.

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        That’s some complex math you did to orient the subject to the guy you obviously don’t like and want us to agree with you about…

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          Imo they were all trash and have been since Carter, gold-star failures all around. I dunno, that one could play the Sax alright, but that’s about it.

          They all kept pot illegal, they all kept the drug trade going with negligence, they all kept wars going or ignored the warning signs of wars to come and instigated inequality. I’m not entirely certain Biden has even said the word trans despite you all shoving it in his mouth. Fuck the lot of the trust-fund wastes of space.

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            Decriminalizing marijuana isn’t something that the president can do through an executive action. Unless Congress does it (which was always unlikely), it requires the Justice Department to propose rescheduling followed by acceptance from the DEA (which is part of the Judiciary). The Biden administration has worked to reschedule it to schedule 3, which would make it legally available with a prescription. The DEA hearing for this was delayed to early 2025 however. It’s also worth noting that Biden pardoned and released thousands of people from federal prison for marijuana possession around a year ago.

            Expecting the US to prevent other countries from going to war would require a level of intervention that could only be called imperialism, if it would even be possible. I would argue doing so would be endorsing oppression in some cases. Peace is an important goal but the price for it can only be so high.

            I feel like the Biden administration actually accomplished a lot over the last 4 years against heavy resistance but no one wants to give them any credit. I was not expecting much but have been impressed whenever I look into things.

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              The president appoints the head of the DoJ and DEA. Just appoint someone who says “I’ll hold the hearing and we’ll have the judgement within the hour”. Instead they appointed someone who scheduled the hearing for after they’ll have been kicked out by Trump’s guy. There is no way to read that as anything but they never intended for it to be rescheduled at all.

              Expecting the US to prevent other countries from going to war would require a level of intervention

              Or just not sending them the weapons they’re using to carry out that war.

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                The president appoints the head of the DoJ and DEA. Just appoint someone who says “I’ll hold the hearing and we’ll have the judgement within the hour”. Instead they appointed someone who scheduled the hearing for after they’ll have been kicked out by Trump’s guy. There is no way to read that as anything but they never intended for it to be rescheduled at all.

                I would consider that corruption. People should be appointed based on competency, not dogmatic loyalty to the person appointing them. Sidestepping the review process would open it up to challenge and set a precedent that would allow it and other drugs to similarly be casually reassigned based on the whims of whoever is in power in the future. It’s also almost certainly illegal, since the process for reassignment was part of the laws passed from Congress. Additionally, Biden first instructed the Attorney General to re-evaluate its scheduling in 2022, so it didn’t just start now. The review process just takes a long time I guess, but it’s fair to assume it hasn’t been a priority.

                Or just not sending them the weapons they’re using to carry out that war.

                If you mean Gaza, that started long before Biden’s presidency, and Hamas instigated the most recent conflict. If you mean Ukraine, that also started before Biden’s presidency, but I would consider leaving the country to conquest from Russia to be abandoning a responsibility to safeguard peaceful nations’ sovereignty. I would compare it to European nations appeasing Hitler by allowing him to conquer Austria and Czechoslovakia without consequences.

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                  People should be appointed based on competency, not dogmatic loyalty to the person appointing them

                  People should be appointed based on what the people elected you to do, anything else is a betrayal of the constituents. If someone voted for you because they believed you would reschedule cannabis, and you don’t get it done, that is a betrayal of your voters.

                  Sidestepping the review process would open it up to challenge and set a precedent that would allow it and other drugs to similarly be casually reassigned based on the whims of whoever is in power in the future

                  And then they will face electoral consequences.

                  The review process just takes a long time I guess, but it’s fair to assume it hasn’t been a priority.

                  The review process takes as long as the head of the DEA wants it to.

                  Hamas instigated the most recent conflict

                  Israel instigated the conflict by ethnically cleansing a million Palestinians and driving them into Gaza, and then building a wall around it and responding to peaceful protests such as the march of return by shooting doctors, women, and children.

                  They were only able to do this and are only able to continue to do this because of American weapons and diplomatic support.

                  I would compare it to European nations appeasing Hitler by allowing him to conquer Austria and Czechoslovakia without consequences

                  The western allies who gave up Austria and Czechoslovakia were expecting consequences; they were expecting Hitler (and Poland, who also got territory from Czechoslovakia) to invade their common enemy, the USSR.

                  In any case, there’s a good chance we’ll get to see the consequences under the next administration. Spoiler:

                  spoiler

                  Russia isn’t going to invade Europe.

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                    People should be appointed based on what the people elected you to do, anything else is a betrayal of the constituents. If someone voted for you because they believed you would reschedule cannabis, and you don’t get it done, that is a betrayal of your voters.

                    Yes, but “what the people elected you to do” isn’t as straightforward as you make it out to be. Yes, in this case, it means working to get cannabis legalized. But that doesn’t mean by any means necessary. You would certainly lose supporters if you specified legalizing it would require jeopardizing future access to other prescriptions or undermining the procedural standards set by Congress and earlier administrations. The people are electing a president to influence the direction of government, not a tyrant to remake it.

                    And then they will face electoral consequences.

                    Re-election prospects represent a deterrent, but only a purely reactive one in a system of checks and balances. Constitutional restrictions are better since by design they preemptively address overreach. Namely, the president has to work with other branches to get policy changed. Also, particularly drastic action can result in ending their current term early through impeachment.

                    Israel instigated the conflict by…

                    I was not trying to say history started on Oct. 7. In fact, my point was that the history of it started long before Biden’s administration and limited how much control he had over it. And you may argue that completely withdrawing support would limit Israel’s options. I frankly think that giving Israel nothing to lose would make them attack with less discrimination than they do now, assuming Biden was even willing to face the massive amount of pushback for that in the first place. Because calling back to your earlier point, that would definitely be against the will of the majority of his constituents.

                    The western allies who gave up Austria and Czechoslovakia were expecting consequences; they were expecting Hitler (and Poland, who also got territory from Czechoslovakia) to invade their common enemy, the USSR.

                    Is this true? It’s hard for me to believe that two major European powers wanted to stand idly by while a rival power (especially for France given their history) conquered much of Eastern Europe just on the hope it would end up fighting another rival power. Especially since they already had justification to keep Germany declawed from the Treaty of Versailles, and later chose to go to war when it came to the invasion of Poland, which the USSR was much more likely to care about and start a war over.